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Senator Dick Durbin: President Trump Moving To Mainstream On Foreign Policy | Morning Joe | MSNBC


>>FRANKLY WE TALKED CHEMICALS,
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST DON’T SEE THIS, THE LEVEL OF
BRUTALITY, THE LEVEL OF VICIOUSNESS.
BUT WHEN THEY DROP BARREL BOMBS AND BOMBS OF ANY KIND RIGHT ON
TOP OF A CIVILIAN POPULATION, THAT’S THE WORST THING — I’VE
NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. FRANKLY PUTIN IS BACKING A
PERSON THAT’S TRULY AN EVIL PERSON.
I THINK IT’S VERY BAD FOR RUSSIA.
I THINK IT’S VERY BAD FOR MAN KIND.
IT’S VERY BAD FOR THIS WORLD. >>THE WHITE HOUSE IS ACCUSING
RUSSIA OF TRYING TO COVER UP THE SYRIAN GOVERNMENT’S ROLE IN LAST
WEEK’S DEADLY CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACK.
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION SAYS DECLASSIFIED INTELLIGENCE SHOWS
THE CHEMICAL AGENT SARIN WAS DELIVERED BY A SYRIAN REGIME
AIRCRAFT. MEANWHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS
BOLSTERING THE U.S. ROLE IN ONE OF PUTIN’S MOST HATED ALLIANCES.
TODAY PRESIDENT SCHEDULED TO MEET WITH SECRETARY-GENERAL OF
NATURE AT THE WHITE HOUSE. YESTERDAY TRUMP SIGNED A TREATY
ALLOWING THE ENTRY OF MONTENEGRO INTO THE MUTUAL DEFENSE PACT
WHICH WOULD EXPAND ITS REACH IN EUROPE.
SECRETARY OF STATE REX TILLERSON IS WARNING RUSSIA IN NO
UNCERTAIN TERMS ABOUT ITS TIES TO SYRIA SAYING THE ASSAD REGIME
WAS, QUOTE, COMING TO AN END. RUSSIA AT RISK OF LOSING
RELEVANCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST BY CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THE
DICTATORSHIP. STILL THE NEW SECRETARY OF
STATE’S INEXPERIENCE IS SHOWING JUST A BIT.
HE REPORTEDLY SAID TO A GROUP OF TOP DIPLOMATS AT TUESDAY’S G7
MEETING IN ITALY, QUOTE, WHY SHOULD U.S. TAXPAYERS BE
INTERESTED IN UKRAINE. THAT’S ACCORDING TO FRANCE’S
FOREIGN MINISTER. >>LET’S BRING I THINK MEMBER OF
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, DEMOCRATIC WHIP DISHING DURBIN
OF ILLINOIS. SENATE, FIRST OF ALL,
CONGRATULATIONS, CUBS DOING WELL, 5-2, GREAT SEASON.
IT SEEMS AS IF DAVID IGNATIUS AND OTHERS ARE SAYING THERE IS
STARTING TO BE A SHIFT IN AMERICA’S FOREIGN POLICY PERHAPS
BECAUSE OF MATTIS AND McMASTER’S GROWING INFLUENCE WITH THE
PRESIDENT. HOW IMPORTANT IS IT WE EXPANDED
NATO YESTERDAY? >>ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL.
UKRAINE US EXHIBIT A WHY IT IS ESSENTIAL.
COUNTRIES OF POLAND, BALTICS, UKRAINE, IS ESSENTIAL.
I AGREE WITH DAVID IGNATIUS. WHAT YOU’RE SEEING IS MODERATION
OF THE VIEWS OF DONALD TRUMP AT LEAST IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOREIGN
POLICY THAT DIFFER FROM WHAT WE HEARD ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
STARTED OFF AS PRESIDENT — >>NOW IGNATIUS SAID MOVING
TOWARDS CHINA IN A WAY WE CAN DEAL WITH CHINA.
THEY ARE ALL TALKING PRETTY TOUGH ON RUSSIA.
>>YES. WHAT A CHANGE.
WHAT A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
THINK A WEEK AGO, ABOUT A WEEK AGO, HERE IS SECRETARY OF STATE
TILLERSON SAYING LET THE SYRIAN PEOPLE DECIDE IF ASSAD HAS A
FUTURE. WITHIN SEVEN DAYS WE’RE
ATTACKING THEM. SO THERE IS A TRANSITION TAKING
PLACE. YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED JARED
KUSHNER AS ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE TRANSITION.
I THINK THAT’S TRUE FROM WHAT I’VE HEARD.
IT’S AN INDICATION THEY ARE MOVING TOWARD WHAT USED TO BE
THE CENTER STRIPE, MAINSTREAM FOREIGN POLICY.
>>GENTLEMEN, OBVIOUSLY GENERAL McMASTER, GENERAL MATTIS
OBVIOUSLY HAVING REALLY — >>JOE, I VOTED FOR MORE
GENERALS THAN I EVER DREAMED I WOULD AS A KID GROWING UP IN THE
’60s. >>ISN’T IT FUNNY, I SAY THIS TO
MIKE ALL THE TIME YOU THINK OF GENERALS AROUND THE PRESIDENT,
YOU THINK OF JFK AND THE WARMONGERS HE HAD AROUND HIM,
THE PEOPLE HE DIDN’T TRUST. NOW YOU HAVE MAYBE 15 YEARS OF
WAR. GENERALS IS THE MODERATING
INFLUENCE. >>IF YOU SAW MATTIS YESTERDAY,
WHAT A GREAT, SOLID PERFORMANCE.>>RIGHT.
>>HE WASN’T INTIMIDATED BY THE AUDIENCE.
HE WAS PLAYING THE PRESS SAYING MAYBE IT’S YOUR TURN TO ASK A
QUESTION AND GETTING SOLID ANSWERS LIKE A MAN WHO HAS SEEN
COMBAT AND WATCH PEOPLE DIE, MAKING LIFE AND DEATH DECISIONS.
PRAISE THE LORD THAT THAT SORT OF PERSON IS THAT CLOSE TO THE
PRESIDENT. THAT’S THE THING MOST OF US FEAR
THE MOST. IT’S 3:00 IN THE MORNING.
HE TAKES A NAP BETWEEN TWEETS. THERE’S A KNOCK ON THE DOOR.
FIVE MINUTES TO MAKE A LIFE OR DEATH DECISION.
WHO DOES HE CALL? >>I THINK HE’S GOT A TEAM
AROUND HIM BECAUSE OF WHAT’S HAPPENED IN SYRIA THAT HE’S
ACTUALLY SPENDING TIME WITH THAT ACTUALLY ADDS VALUE TO THIS
PRESIDENT IN A BIG WAY. >>NO QUESTION.
LOOK WHAT McMASTER IS DOING. >>TRUMP MADE THESE CHOICES.
>>THINK ABOUT THE TRADUP WITH THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL.
WE WENT FROM GENERAL FLYNN TO GENERAL McMASTER.
WE WENT FROM K.T. McFARLAND TO DINA POWELL.
>>YOU WANT SOMEONE OPPOSED TO THE WAR GO TO PENTAGON.
READ McMASTER’S BOOK, DERELICTION OF DUTY, WHICH
OUTLINES FLAWS AND COWARDICE AT THE COMMAND LEVEL IN THE 1960s.
>>YOU TALK TO THE MILITARY, YOUNG MILITARY, ASPIRING
LEADERS, McMASTER IS A HERO. HE’S A PERSON THAT SPOKE UP AND
TALKED ABOUT THE ERRORS OF FOREIGN POLICY AND HOW THEY WERE
PLAYED OUT IN MILITARY DECISIONS.
>>WHEN YOU HEAR REX TILLERSON SAY THE ASSAD ERA IS COMING TO
AN END LIKE HE DID YESTERDAY, WHAT DO YOU HEAR IN THAT?
THAT CAN HAPPEN A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS, FROM THE SYRIAN PEOPLE
SOMEHOW, RUSSIA LEANING ON HIM CONVINCING HIM TO LEAVE POWER.
I DON’T SEE ANY INCENTIVE FOR HIM TO DO THAT.
OR COME FROM WESTERN COALITION LED BY UMBRELLAS REMOVING HIM
FROM POWER. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU?
>>I THINK BACK TO FOUR YEARS AGO AT HOME SPRINGFIELD,
ILLINOIS IT’S SUNDAY NIGHT AND I GET A PHONE CALL FROM PRESIDENT
OBAMA. WHAT’S UP, PRESIDENT?
WELL, WE SEE SOME CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN SYRIA.
I WANT TO COME TO CONGRESS AND ASK YOU AS A MEMBER OF THE
FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE TO VOTE FOR A RESOLUTION AND GIVE
ME AUTHORITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, WHICH I DID.
AND A NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS JOINED US, CORKER, McCAIN,
GRAHAM. THEN IT CAME TO GENERAL CONGRESS
AND THEY SAID, WHAT’S NEXT AFTER THIS 60 DAY EFFORT TO DISCOURAGE
ASSAD FROM CHEMICAL WEAPONS? THEY BACKED OFF, BOTH DEMOCRATS
AND REPUBLICANS BACKED OFF AND THAT WAS THE END OF THE RED LINE
AS FAR AS THE PRESIDENT WAS CONCERNED.
SO I ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT FOLLOWS 60 MISSILES, WHATEVER,
WHAT’S NEXT. >>THAT’S MY QUESTION.
HOW IS ASSAD REMOVED FROM POWER ULTIMATELY.
>>23 OF US VOTED NO ON THE IRAQ RESOLUTION TO GO TO WAR.
WE SAID NO ON THE QUESTION. >>WOULD YOU VOTE NO ON THE
MISSILES FIRED THURSDAY NIGHT. >>I BELIEVE IN MY VIEW, CRIMES
AGAINST HUMANITY, THAT IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA. >>I’M NOT PUSHING YOU ON THIS
NEXT QUESTION, THIS IS MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY
THAT’S BEEN TALKING SINCE LAST THURSDAY NIGHT, WHEN WE ASK
WHAT’S NEXT, WHAT’S NEXT, WHAT’S NEXT, A VERY WISE QUESTION TO
ASK. IF THEY ARE SAYING OUR POLICY IS
NOT CHANGING, WE’RE NOT INVADING SYRIA, ISN’T PERHAPS THAT THE
WRONG QUESTION ON WHAT’S NEXT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO.
IS IT JUST GOING TO BE A MISSILE STRIKE?
WE MAY BE A FOCUSED MISSILE STRIKE THAT GENERAL MATTIS
SUGGESTED TO THE PRESIDENT, MAYBE THAT’S WHAT MOMENT CALLED
FOR AND MAYBE THERE IS NOT A NEXT UNTIL HE CROSSES ANOTHER
RED LINE. >>I THINK YOU MIGHT PUT YOUR
FINGER ON IT. I’M NOT SURE THEY HAVE A PLOT
THAT SAYS THIS IS STEP ONE. >>RIGHT.
>>WHAT THEY DID WAS ASSERT THIS PRESIDENT IS WILLING TO USE
FORCE. THAT WAS THE STATEMENT, AGAINST
A DICTATOR USING WEAPONS THAT ARE INEXCUSABLE WHEN IT COMES TO
CONFLICT. >>ALL RIGHT.
HERE IS JON MEACHAM. >>SENATOR, YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT
BEING SURPRISED YOU VOTED FOR AS MANY GENERALS AS YOU DID.
ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK A LOT OF THESE GENERALS ARE AS
BUTTONED DOWN AS THEY ARE IS BECAUSE OF VIETNAM.
IT’S THE COLIN POWELL MODEL. WE’RE NOW IN THE 16th YEAR OF
WAR IN AFGHANISTAN, 14th YEAR ALMOST TO THE MONTH IN IRAQ.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE NEXT GENERATION OF GENERALS WILL BE
LEARNING FROM THESE WARS THAT ARE THE LONGEST IN OUR HISTORY.
>>THAT’S A GOOD AND IMPORTANT QUESTION.
I THINK THE FRUSTRATION OF VIETNAM WITH ALL THE LIVES LOST
AND MONEY SPENT AND DIVISION WITHIN THE UNITED STATES, LOOK
AT WHAT’S HAPPENING IN AFGHANISTAN TODAY.
I VOTED FOR THAT WAR. WE WERE GOING AFTER THE PEOPLE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TERRIBLE TRAGEDY OF 9/11.
YET YOU LOOK BACK ON IT NOW AND SAY WHERE ARE WE TODAY IN TERMS
OF STABILITY AND FUTURE OF AFGHANISTAN.
WE STILL CAN’T FIELD AN ARMY IN AFGHANISTAN TO EXECUTE BASIC
PEACEKEEPING AND STOP THE ADVANCE OF THE TALIBAN AND OTHER
TERRORIST FORCES. SO I WOULD SAY THERE’S STILL A
LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION. THE GREATEST MILITARY POWER IN
THE WORLD HAS ITS LIMITS AND PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN
WE SAY WE’RE A GREAT NUCLEAR POWER, DOESN’T MEAN MUCH WHEN
YOU’RE DEALING WITH ROADSIDE BOMBS.
>>ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
GREA

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