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Rep. Jerry Nadler: Border Agency Heads Should Be Prosecuted For Abuse | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

Rep. Jerry Nadler: Border Agency Heads Should Be Prosecuted For Abuse | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC


>>>WE HAVE HARROWING STORIES>>>WE HAVE HARROWING STORIES AND IMAGES TODAY FROM AND IMAGES TODAY FROM CONGRESSIONAL VISIT TO BORDER CONGRESSIONAL VISIT TO BORDER PATROL FACILITIES IN TEXAS. PATROL FACILITIES IN TEXAS. A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF CONGRESS SAID THEY WITNESSED IMMIGRANTS SAID THEY WITNESSED IMMIGRANTS BEING HELD IN WHAT THEY DESCRIBE BEING HELD IN WHAT THEY DESCRIBE AS APPALLING CONDITIONS. AS APPALLING CONDITIONS. THIS VISIT FROM MEMBERS OF THIS VISIT FROM MEMBERS OF CONGRESS CAME ON THE HEELS OF CONGRESS CAME ON THE HEELS OF REPORTS IN RECENT WEEKS ABOUT REPORTS IN RECENT WEEKS ABOUT BORDER PATROL STATIONS IN CLINT, BORDER PATROL STATIONS IN CLINT, TEXAS AND McALLEN, TEXAS AND TEXAS AND McALLEN, TEXAS AND OTHER LOCATIONS. OTHER LOCATIONS. LAWYERS VISITED THE CLINT LAWYERS VISITED THE CLINT FACILITY AND REPORTED THAT FACILITY AND REPORTED THAT HUNDREDS EVER KIDS WERE IN HUNDREDS EVER KIDS WERE IN DISMAL CONDITIONS INCLUDING KIDS DISMAL CONDITIONS INCLUDING KIDS BEING PUT IN CHARGE OF CARING BEING PUT IN CHARGE OF CARING FOR ONE ANOTHER WITHOUT THE FOR ONE ANOTHER WITHOUT THE HUMAN KPFT OR THE PHYSICAL HUMAN KPFT OR THE PHYSICAL FACILITIES TO DO SO. FACILITIES TO DO SO. THIS VIDEO WAS TAKEN AT ONE THIS VIDEO WAS TAKEN AT ONE FACILITY TODAY BY JOAQUIN FACILITY TODAY BY JOAQUIN CASTRO, THE BROTHER OF CASTRO, THE BROTHER OF PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JULIAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JULIAN CASTRO. CASTRO. HE AND CONGRESSIONAL COLLEAGUES HE AND CONGRESSIONAL COLLEAGUES SPOKE WITH SEVERAL WOMEN WHO SPOKE WITH SEVERAL WOMEN WHO WERE BEING HELD IN A SMALL CELL WERE BEING HELD IN A SMALL CELL THERE. THERE. I SEE THEM SITTING ON THE FLOOR I SEE THEM SITTING ON THE FLOOR OF THE CELL. OF THE CELL. THE WOMEN TOLD LAWMAKERS MANY THE WOMEN TOLD LAWMAKERS MANY HAD BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEIR HAD BEEN SEPARATED FROM THEIR KIDS AND HAD BEEN DENIED SHOWERS KIDS AND HAD BEEN DENIED SHOWERS AND ABILITY TO BATHE AND DENIED AND ABILITY TO BATHE AND DENIED MEDICATION AFTER THIS VISIT MEDICATION AFTER THIS VISIT TODAY TO THE FACILITIES. TODAY TO THE FACILITIES. MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DESCRIBED MEMBERS OF CONGRESS DESCRIBED WHAT THEY HAD SEEN TO THE PRESS. WHAT THEY HAD SEEN TO THE PRESS.>>WHEN WE WENT INTO THE CELL,>>WHEN WE WENT INTO THE CELL, IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE WATER WAS IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE WATER WAS NOT RUNNING. NOT RUNNING. THERE WAS A TOILET, BUT THERE THERE WAS A TOILET, BUT THERE WAS NO RUNNING WATER FOR PEOPLE WAS NO RUNNING WATER FOR PEOPLE TO DRINK. TO DRINK. IN FACT, ONE OF THE WOMEN SAID IN FACT, ONE OF THE WOMEN SAID THAT SHE WAS TOLD BY AN AGENT TO THAT SHE WAS TOLD BY AN AGENT TO DRINK WATER OUT OF THE TOILET. DRINK WATER OUT OF THE TOILET.>>WHAT WE SAW TODAY WAS>>WHAT WE SAW TODAY WAS UNCONSCIONABLE. UNCONSCIONABLE. NO CHILD SHOULD EVER BE NO CHILD SHOULD EVER BE SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENT. SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENT. NO CHILD SHOULD EVER BE TAKEN NO CHILD SHOULD EVER BE TAKEN FROM THEIR FAMILY. FROM THEIR FAMILY. NO WOMAN SHOULD EVER BE LOCKED NO WOMAN SHOULD EVER BE LOCKED UP IN A PEN WHEN THEY HAVE DONE UP IN A PEN WHEN THEY HAVE DONE NO HARM TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. NO HARM TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.>>BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT>>BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEIR PARENTS. THEIR PARENTS. THE MOTHERS. THE MOTHERS. THE ABUELAS, THE TIAS. THE ABUELAS, THE TIAS. THE MADRES WHO WEPT OPENLY IN THE MADRES WHO WEPT OPENLY IN OUR ARMS, NOT EVEN KNOWING OUR OUR ARMS, NOT EVEN KNOWING OUR NAMES. NAMES. BECAUSE OF THE TRAUMA THEY ARE BECAUSE OF THE TRAUMA THEY ARE EXPERIENCING AND BECAUSE THEY EXPERIENCING AND BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW WHERE THEIR CHILDREN DON’T KNOW WHERE THEIR CHILDREN ARE. ARE.>>MEMBERS OF CONGRESS OUTSIDE>>MEMBERS OF CONGRESS OUTSIDE OF BORDER PATROL FACILITIES IN OF BORDER PATROL FACILITIES IN TEXAS AFTER VISITING WITH TEXAS AFTER VISITING WITH IMMIGRANTS DETAINED INSIDE. IMMIGRANTS DETAINED INSIDE. THIS EVENING THE ASSOCIATED THIS EVENING THE ASSOCIATED PRESS OBTAINED THIS VIDEO OF AN PRESS OBTAINED THIS VIDEO OF AN INTERVIEW WITH THE 12-YEAR-OLD INTERVIEW WITH THE 12-YEAR-OLD GIRL HELD FOR ALMOST TWO WEEKS GIRL HELD FOR ALMOST TWO WEEKS IN A TEXAS BORDER PATROL IN A TEXAS BORDER PATROL FACILITY. FACILITY. NOBODY IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN A NOBODY IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN A BORDER PATROL FACILITY FOR BORDER PATROL FACILITY FOR LONGER THAN 72 HOURS AND SHE WAS LONGER THAN 72 HOURS AND SHE WAS HELD FOR TWO WEEKS. HELD FOR TWO WEEKS. A LAWYER IS WORKING ON THE A LAWYER IS WORKING ON THE GIRL’S CASE. GIRL’S CASE. THE GIRL SAID SHE AND HER THE GIRL SAID SHE AND HER 6-YEAR-OLD SISTER WERE TAKEN 6-YEAR-OLD SISTER WERE TAKEN FROM THEIR AUNT WHEN THEY FROM THEIR AUNT WHEN THEY CROSSED THE BORDER LAST MONTH. CROSSED THE BORDER LAST MONTH. [SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE] [SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. [SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE].>>THAT VIDEO OF A 12-YEAR-OLD>>THAT VIDEO OF A 12-YEAR-OLD GIRL HELD AT THE BORDER PATROL GIRL HELD AT THE BORDER PATROL FACILITY FOR TWO WEEKS. FACILITY FOR TWO WEEKS. THAT WAS OBTAINED BY THE THAT WAS OBTAINED BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. ASSOCIATED PRESS. JERRY NADLER IS THE HIGH PROFILE JERRY NADLER IS THE HIGH PROFILE CHAIRMAN WITH JURISDICTIONS OVER CHAIRMAN WITH JURISDICTIONS OVER A BUNCH OF DETAILS INVOLVED A BUNCH OF DETAILS INVOLVED HERE. HERE. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. I HAVE TO ASK YOUR REACTION TO I HAVE TO ASK YOUR REACTION TO WHAT YOU HEARD FROM YOUR HOUSE WHAT YOU HEARD FROM YOUR HOUSE COLLEAGUES THERE AND FROM THESE COLLEAGUES THERE AND FROM THESE OTHER REPORTS THAT WE HAD ABOUT OTHER REPORTS THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE FACILITIES ON THE BORDER. THE FACILITIES ON THE BORDER. OBVIOUSLY YOUR COMMITTEE HAS OBVIOUSLY YOUR COMMITTEE HAS JURISDICTION ON THE MATTER. JURISDICTION ON THE MATTER.>>WE’RE DO, BUT WE DON’T>>WE’RE DO, BUT WE DON’T CONTROL THE AGENCY. CONTROL THE AGENCY. WHAT WE SAW TODAY WAS WHAT WE SAW TODAY WAS DISGUSTING. DISGUSTING. WHEN WE WERE AT THE BORDER A WHEN WE WERE AT THE BORDER A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, ALTHOUGH COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, ALTHOUGH THEY DIDN’T LET US TALK TO THE THEY DIDN’T LET US TALK TO THE KIDS, WE SAW VERY DISGUSTING KIDS, WE SAW VERY DISGUSTING CONDITIONS THEN. CONDITIONS THEN. THIS IS INHUMANE AND CRIMINAL. THIS IS INHUMANE AND CRIMINAL. THERE OUGHT TO BE PROSECUTIONS THERE OUGHT TO BE PROSECUTIONS OF THE AGENCY HEADS AND SOME OF OF THE AGENCY HEADS AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE FOR CHILD ABUSE. THE PEOPLE FOR CHILD ABUSE. THIS IS CLEARLY CHILD ABUSE AND THIS IS CLEARLY CHILD ABUSE AND IT VIOLATES A HALF DOZEN LAWS. IT VIOLATES A HALF DOZEN LAWS.>>DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE>>DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE PURSUED AS FEDERAL PROSECUTION PURSUED AS FEDERAL PROSECUTION OR A MATTER OF STATE LAW? OR A MATTER OF STATE LAW?>>WELL, PROBABLY BOTH.>>WELL, PROBABLY BOTH. PROBABLY BOTH. PROBABLY BOTH.>>IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE,>>IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFLICT AND CONTROVERSY WITHIN CONFLICT AND CONTROVERSY WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS AS TO THE DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE HOUSE BILL WHETHER OR NOT THE HOUSE BILL WHICH INCLUDED RESTRICTIONS ON WHICH INCLUDED RESTRICTIONS ON THE WAY THAT THE TRUMP THE WAY THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE AGENCIES ADMINISTRATION AND THE AGENCIES CAN TREAT IMMIGRANTS. CAN TREAT IMMIGRANTS. WHETHER THAT BILL WOULD WHETHER THAT BILL WOULD SUPERSEDE THE SENATE BILL THAT SUPERSEDE THE SENATE BILL THAT DIDN’T INCLUDE ANY OF THOSE DIDN’T INCLUDE ANY OF THOSE RESTRICTION AND ULTIMATELY THE RESTRICTION AND ULTIMATELY THE SENATE BILL WENT FORWARD AND SENATE BILL WENT FORWARD AND THAT WAS A SOURCE OF CONTROVERSY THAT WAS A SOURCE OF CONTROVERSY WITHIN THE CAUCUS. WITHIN THE CAUCUS. YOU CAN TALK TO US ABOUT THAT YOU CAN TALK TO US ABOUT THAT DECISION? DECISION?>>I VOTED AGAINST THE FINAL>>I VOTED AGAINST THE FINAL BILL BECAUSE I DIDN’T HAVE BILL BECAUSE I DIDN’T HAVE ENOUGH GUARANTEES IN MY OPINION ENOUGH GUARANTEES IN MY OPINION THAT THE MONEY WOULD BE USED TO THAT THE MONEY WOULD BE USED TO GIVE THEM PROPER MEDICAL AND GIVE THEM PROPER MEDICAL AND OTHER ATTENTION. OTHER ATTENTION. WE DIDN’T HAVE ENOUGH GUARANTEES WE DIDN’T HAVE ENOUGH GUARANTEES THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WOULD DIVERT FUNDS TO MORE WOULD DIVERT FUNDS TO MORE DETENTION INSTEAD OF BETTER DETENTION INSTEAD OF BETTER CONDITIONS. CONDITIONS. THE MONEY HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED THE MONEY HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED AND OUGHT TO BE USED NOW QUICKLY AND OUGHT TO BE USED NOW QUICKLY TO MAKE CONDITIONS BETTER. TO MAKE CONDITIONS BETTER. AND TO END IT. AND TO END IT. IT’S ONE THING TO MAKE THE IT’S ONE THING TO MAKE THE CONDITIONS BETTER WHICH IS WHAT CONDITIONS BETTER WHICH IS WHAT THE MONEY IS FOR. THE MONEY IS FOR. THESE KIDS SHOULD NOT BE THESE KIDS SHOULD NOT BE SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS OR SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS OR RELATIVES IN THE FIRST PLACE. RELATIVES IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT IS UNCONSCIONABLE AND NOT THAT IS UNCONSCIONABLE AND NOT NECESSARY LEGALLY. NECESSARY LEGALLY. IT’S JUST MORE OF THE IT’S JUST MORE OF THE ADMINISTRATION DETERMINING TO ADMINISTRATION DETERMINING TO TORTURE PEOPLE IN ORDER TO BE A TORTURE PEOPLE IN ORDER TO BE A DETERRENT FOR PEOPLE COMING OVER DETERRENT FOR PEOPLE COMING OVER THE BORDER WHICH THEY NO LONGER THE BORDER WHICH THEY NO LONGER ADMIT WAS THE CASE, BUT ADMITTED ADMIT WAS THE CASE, BUT ADMITTED IT A FEW MONTHS AGO. IT A FEW MONTHS AGO.>>AS WE CONTINUE TO GET THE>>AS WE CONTINUE TO GET THE ONGOING REPORTS OF KIDS AND ONGOING REPORTS OF KIDS AND FAMILIES BEING HELD IN APPALLING FAMILIES BEING HELD IN APPALLING CONDITIONS AND WE CONTINUE TO CONDITIONS AND WE CONTINUE TO GET REPORTS ABOUT KIDS BEING GET REPORTS ABOUT KIDS BEING SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS, IT SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS, IT FEELS LIKE NO LEVEL OF CRITICISM FEELS LIKE NO LEVEL OF CRITICISM MAKES AN IMPACT. MAKES AN IMPACT. NOTHING MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN NOTHING MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE 2RU678TRUMP TERMS OF WHAT THE 2RU678TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DOES. ADMINISTRATION DOES. THEY HAD AN APPALLING REPORT ON THEY HAD AN APPALLING REPORT ON THE CONDITIONS IN WHICH THE CONDITIONS IN WHICH IMMIGRANTS ARE BEING HELD. IMMIGRANTS ARE BEING HELD. THERE IS ANOTHER REPORT THERE IS ANOTHER REPORT DESCRIBING EVEN WORSE CONDITIONS DESCRIBING EVEN WORSE CONDITIONS AND WE HAVE GOT THESE FIRSTHAND AND WE HAVE GOT THESE FIRSTHAND REPORTS FROM THE LITTLE GIRL AND REPORTS FROM THE LITTLE GIRL AND LAWYER WHO IS HAVE BEEN THERE LAWYER WHO IS HAVE BEEN THERE AND MEMBER WHO IS HAVE BEEN AND MEMBER WHO IS HAVE BEEN THERE. THERE. NONE OF THAT EVER GOES ANYWHERE. NONE OF THAT EVER GOES ANYWHERE. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS NOT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS NOT SHAMED BY THE REPORTS NOR ARE SHAMED BY THE REPORTS NOR ARE THEY ACTING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. THEY ACTING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>THAT’S CORRECT. JUST AS THE STORY WITH THE JUST AS THE STORY WITH THE SCIENTISTS, THEY ARE DESTROYING SCIENTISTS, THEY ARE DESTROYING THE GOVERNMENT’S ABILITY TO DO THE GOVERNMENT’S ABILITY TO DO SCIENCE. SCIENCE. LET’S PUT OUR HEADS IN THE HAND LET’S PUT OUR HEADS IN THE HAND SO WE DON’T KNOW WHAT’S SO WE DON’T KNOW WHAT’S HAPPENING. HAPPENING. YOU CAN HAVE LAWSUITS AND THE YOU CAN HAVE LAWSUITS AND THE LAWSUITS MIGHT RESULT IN COURT LAWSUITS MIGHT RESULT IN COURT ORDERS TO HAVE BETTER — THAT’S ORDERS TO HAVE BETTER — THAT’S THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF. THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF. FOR CONGRESS TO PASS LAWS, THEY FOR CONGRESS TO PASS LAWS, THEY HAVE TO BE ENFORCED. HAVE TO BE ENFORCED. IT TAKES MONTHS TO PASS LAWS AT IT TAKES MONTHS TO PASS LAWS AT BEST. BEST.>>IS IT POSSIBLE TO IMPEACH>>IS IT POSSIBLE TO IMPEACH INDIVIDUAL OFFICIAL WHO IS ARE INDIVIDUAL OFFICIAL WHO IS ARE IN CHARGE OF THE AGENCIES AND IN CHARGE OF THE AGENCIES AND HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE IN HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE IN THE HOUSE? THE HOUSE?>>IT IS TECH CAMLY POSSIBLE TO>>IT IS TECH CAMLY POSSIBLE TO IMPEACH MID-LEVEL OFFICIALS, BUT IMPEACH MID-LEVEL OFFICIALS, BUT THATTIC TAS A LONG TIME AND THATTIC TAS A LONG TIME AND THAT’S NOT THE ANSWER HERE. THAT’S NOT THE ANSWER HERE.>>I HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS I>>I HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT INCLUDING WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT INCLUDING THE EXPECTED VISIT FROM ROBERT

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