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PBS NewsHour full episode November 11, 2019

PBS NewsHour full episode November 11, 2019

JUDY WOODRUFF: Good evening. I’m Judy Woodruff. On the “NewsHour” tonight: crisis in Bolivia. The country’s longtime socialist president
steps down, as the streets erupt in violence and supporters cry foul over a suspected coup. Then: how Rudy Giuliani went from America’s
mayor to a major player in the impeachment inquiry. Plus, our Politics Monday team breaks down
what to expect from the start of public hearings. And art out of the land — why communities
of artists all across the country are working to revive rural America. SAM MILTICH, Jazz Guitarist: I think it’s
a little bit of an equity thing. Rural people are every bit as deserving of
art as any other group, and maybe more so because they don’t have as much access to
it. JUDY WOODRUFF: All that and
more on tonight’s “PBS NewsHour.” (BREAK) JUDY WOODRUFF: Anti-government protests in
Hong Kong erupted into chaos today, leaving two people critically injured. One protester was shot at close range by police. Elsewhere, a pro-China supporter was doused
in flammable liquid and set on fire. Hong Kong’s leader vowed to spare no effort
to bring an end to the violent demonstrations that have gripped the semiautonomous Chinese
territory for over five months. Blasts from riot guns echoed through the streets
in Central Hong Kong, the city’s business district once again ground zero for clashes
between police and protesters. Thousands of anti-government demonstrators
flooded the streets at lunch hour. They were met by police in riot gear, who
fired tear gas and sent the crowds sprinting away. Protests began in the spring, first in opposition
to a proposed law to extradite criminal suspects to mainland China. They have morphed into calls for greater freedom
and an end to attacks by police. MISS WALL, Protester: They are not doing anything
violent, and the police just shoot them. And we are so angry about the police brutality. And there is no solution, because the government
never responds to any of our requests on the police violence. JUDY WOODRUFF: The cries denouncing police
violence grew louder today after an online video showed a protester being shot. In it, an officer in Hong Kong’s eastern Sai
Wan Ho district grapples with a protester. As a masked man in black rushes toward him,
the officer shoots him in the stomach. He is now in critical condition, but stable
after surgery. Police said the shooting was justified. PATRICK KWOK PAK-CHUNG, Regional Commander,
Hong Kong Island (through translator): It all happened just in a flash of a moment. He was trying to protect himself and his pistol. JUDY WOODRUFF: Police also accused protesters
of beating up a man and setting him on fire. Hong Kong executive Carrie Lam condemned the
demonstrators and called them — quote — “the people’s enemy.” CARRIE LAM, Hong Kong Chief Executive: If
there’s still any wishful thinking that, by escalating violence, the Hong Kong SAR government
will yield to pressure to satisfy the so-called political demands, I’m making the statement
clear and loud here. That will not happen. JUDY WOODRUFF: In Beijing, China’s Foreign
Ministry repeated claims that Western governments are supporting and accelerating the protests. GENG SHUANG, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson
(through translator): Hong Kong affairs are purely China’s internal affairs, and no foreign
government, organization or individual has the right to intervene. We express firm opposition to anyone providing
a platform or creating conditions for activists or activities pro-Hong Kong independence. JUDY WOODRUFF: Back in Hong Kong, clashes
continued into the evening, as police fired tear gas from moving vehicles. Protesters lit fires in the middle of the
street. Police sprayed water cannons to put them out
and disperse the crowds. Tensions were also high in Bolivia today,
as the country struggled with a power vacuum left by the resignation of President Evo Morales. His 14-year rule came to an end Sunday, after
weeks of violent protests over claims of fraud in his reelection last month. But yesterday’s celebrations were quickly
eclipsed by clashes and fires that raged into the night. We will get the latest right after the news
summary. The United Nations’ nuclear watchdog raised
new concerns today about Iran violating its 2015 nuclear deal. Its inspectors discovered manmade uranium
particles that Tehran hadn’t previously declared. They also confirmed that Iran is enriching
uranium at its underground Fordow facility. Meanwhile, in Paris, European Union members
met to try to keep the nuclear deal alive. HEIKO MAAS, German Foreign Minister (through
translator): I think now it’s time to make it clear to Iran that it can’t continue like
this. Iran must fulfill its obligations laid out
in the treaty. But the country isn’t doing that when uranium
is being enriched again. We want to keep the deal in place, but that’s
only possible if Iran fulfills its obligations, too. JUDY WOODRUFF: The head of Iran’s nuclear
program reported that his country was now producing more low-enriched uranium daily
than previously believed, with the help of its Fordow centrifuges. Under the treaty, that facility was only to
be used for research. Turkey began sending captured foreign members
of the Islamic State, including one U.S. citizen, back to their home countries today. Last week, Turkey’s interior minister estimated
some 1,200 foreign ISIS fighters were in Turkish prisons. Separately, a former British army officer
who helped found the Syrian civilian rescue group known as the White Helmets was found
dead in Turkey. The body of James Le Mesurier was discovered
near his home in Istanbul. His death is now under investigation. Australia’s most populous state, New South
Wales, declared an emergency today amid raging wildfires. At least three people have died. The inferno began Friday in the northeast
part of the state. It’s already destroyed more than 150 homes
and burned nearly 4,000 square miles of forest and farmland. Fire officials warned conditions are expected
to worsen. SHANE FITZSIMMONS, New South Wales Rural Fire
Commissioner: We continue to have more than 60 fires burning across New South Wales, and
more than half of them remain uncontained. And we can expect to see the alert levels
increase on a number of these fires up in northern New South Wales. The conditions are still extremely dry. And the fire behavior is still quite volatile JUDY WOODRUFF: Australia’s annual fire season
started earlier than normal, after an unusually warm and arid winter. Australian environmental activists have linked
the intensity of the fires to climate change, and said that the Australian government is
not taking strong enough action. Spain appears set for more uncertainty, after
a second general election this year failed to end the country’s political impasse. Sunday’s vote put the ruling Socialists in
first place, but they failed to secure a parliamentary majority. Meanwhile, the far-right Vox Party shot to
third place, after more than doubling its seats in Parliament. Back in this country, a federal judge in Washington
dismissed President Trump’s lawsuit against New York officials who are trying to win release
of his tax returns. The Democratic-led House Ways and Means Committee
had been hoping to use a New York state law to obtain Mr. Trump’s tax records. Today, the judge ruled that he does not have
jurisdiction over the case, but Mr. Trump can file a similar lawsuit in New York. New York Congressman Peter King announced
today he won’t seek reelection. The moderate Republican was first elected
to Congress in 1993, representing part of Long Island. King is the 20th House Republican to announce
plans to leave after next year’s election. A record-setting cold is causing parts of
the American Midwest to experience January-like temperatures in November. That same wintry blast brought more than three
inches of snow to Chicago today, forcing some 900 flights to be canceled. One plane slid off the runway at O’Hare International
Airport, but no injuries were reported. Stocks were flat on Wall Street today over
uncertainty about U.S.-China trade talks. The Dow Jones industrial average gained 10
points to close at a record 27691. The Nasdaq fell 11 points. And the S&P 500 slipped six. And America paid tribute to our nation’s veterans
today with wreath-laying ceremonies, parades, and other events. President Trump spoke at the 100th annual
New York City Veterans Day parade, while Vice President Pence took part in a solemn service
at Arlington National Cemetery. We will have more on today’s commemorations
at the end of the program. Still to come on the “NewsHour”: a power vacuum
in Bolivia, as the three-term leader steps down amid violent protests; the long journey
of Rudy Giuliani, the man in the middle of the impeachment inquiry; Amy Walter and Tamara
Keith on the outset of a historic week; plus, much more. President Trump today praised the Bolivian
people and that nation’s military for forcing the resignation yesterday of Bolivia’s longtime
President Evo Morales. Mexico today announced that it would offer
Morales asylum, but in the Andean nation, a power vacuum prevails. With Morales and the politicians in line to
replace him all gone, what now for Bolivia? And what does it mean for the region? Nick Schifrin reports. NICK SCHIFRIN: Today in La Paz, public buses
sit torched and abandoned. Pharmacies are ransacked and looted. South America’s poorest country is violently
divided, and right now, leaderless. MARCIAL SALAZAR, Bolivia (through translator):
What we need now is control over lootings and robberies that are taking place. But all of the citizens are in agreement that
a change of government needed to happen. NICK SCHIFRIN: That change happened yesterday,
when longtime President Evo Morales announced on state TV he was victim of a coup. EVO MORALES, FORMER Bolivian President (through
translator): I am resigning precisely so that my brother and sisters, leaders, authorities
of the socialist movements don’t continue to be held hostage, chased, or threatened. I am very sorry for this civic coup d’etat. NICK SCHIFRIN: But what Morales calls a coup,
his opponents call the prevailing of democracy. For three weeks, hundreds of thousands of
protesters filled the streets, accusing Morales of being a dictator and violating the Constitution
when he ran for a fourth term last month. The Organization of American States accused
him of trying to steal the election. Residents who filled the streets complained
of increasing corruption. The protests became increasingly violent,
with demonstrators and police clashing in clouds of tear gas. And, yesterday morning, the final straw, Military
Commander Williams Kaliman said Morales had to go. WILLIAMS KALIMAN, Bolivian Armed Forces Commander
(through translator): After analyzing the situation of internal conflict, we suggest
the president of the state resign his presidential mandate, allowing peace and continued stability
for the good of our Bolivia. ROBERT GELBARD, Former U.S. Ambassador to
Bolivia: He really misunderstood the fact that he was losing the consent of the governed
to a significant degree. NICK SCHIFRIN: Robert Gelbard is a former
U.S. ambassador to Bolivia. He acknowledges that Morales was popular and
successfully helped lift up the poor to create a middle class. ROBERT GELBARD: Evo Morales clearly made enormous
progress, but what has happened is that he has, in many senses, overstayed his welcome,
as they have also witnessed corruption, financial corruption, but also political corruption. And so people have begun to move away from
him, including a significant percentage of people who had been supporters originally. NICK SCHIFRIN: Morales was Bolivia’s first
leader of indigenous origin. He was from this rural poor area. And, today, his supporters say he was overthrown
by a middle-class minority. Kathryn Ledebur is the director of a Bolivian
think tank. KATHRYN LEDEBUR, Andean, Information Network:
It’s interesting. The way that the conflict has evolved now,
it’s really splitting down much more on class lines and ethnic lines and rural-urban lines. NICK SCHIFRIN: Morales supporters blame the
military and police for acting illegally, and warn his ouster could lead to more violence. KATHRYN LEDEBUR: It’s clear that corruption
persists in the police force. The police force is an institution with deteriorated
credibility. And now, at this point in time, that situation
has become even worse. NICK SCHIFRIN: After Morales resigned, his
vice president, the Senate president, and the lower House president all in line to take
over also resigned. Opposition leader Carlos Mesa called the vacuum
of power the end of tyranny. CARLOS MESA, Opposition Leader (through translator):
The clear and unequivocal will of the democratic opposition, of the civic opposition of the
Bolivian citizenship is that a democratic government has to be built, and that means
strictly respecting the political constitution of the state. NICK SCHIFRIN: That could be led by new Senate
President Jeanine Anez, whose emotion showed in La Paz today. Whether she can successfully transition away
from Morales could help influence democracy across a region with a history of military
coups. ROBERT GELBARD: If it goes in the direction
of either returning to the radical left or going further, or away from democracy toward
a military dictatorship, that could give others ideas in other countries ideas, too. So this is, in many ways, a kind of laboratory. NICK SCHIFRIN: There’s still a debate if this
was democracy restored or democracy denied. But both sides agree, in today’s Bolivia,
no one gets to stay in power, forever. For the “PBS NewsHour,” I’m Nick Schifrin. JUDY WOODRUFF: It has been another day of
new twists and hundred more pages of documents released in the impeachment inquiry. Our Lisa Desjardins and Yamiche Alcindor are
here to help us break it all down and understand it. So, to both of you, hello. This has all happened just in the last couple
of hours. In fact, one of these sets of transcripts,
Lisa, has come just within the hour. LISA DESJARDINS: That’s right. JUDY WOODRUFF: So the two of you have been
scrambling to catch up, to read the transcript. LISA DESJARDINS: That’s right. JUDY WOODRUFF: So let’s talk about these former
— these are former State Department and former Defense Department officials. LISA DESJARDINS: That’s right. And let’s start with Laura Cooper. She’s a Defense Department official, which
is a unique perspective here . Usually, you have been hearing from the diplomats. She is the deputy assistant defense secretary,
specializes in Russia. She says that’s where she spends most of her
time. But she also works on long-term strategy for
Russia and for Ukraine. She has been with the Defense Department since
2001, but she says this year at one point almost all of her time was spent on Ukraine
because of what was happening. In her transcript, which, as you say, we have
just got, we learned that there was high concern and surprise when the aid money to Ukraine
was being frozen. The Department of Justice — Department of
Defense was one of the last to sign off on that. They did sign off in June. She said, when they learned it was frozen
— that is something she oversees — no one understood it, and, even more, Judy — this
is interesting — she says seniors involved in that process questioned if they legally
could freeze it, because Congress had already appropriated those millions of dollars, and
it was ready to go. They weren’t sure even the president had the
ability to stop that money from flowing to Ukraine. JUDY WOODRUFF: And this backs up other testimony
that had been given by others. LISA DESJARDINS: It does. No one was sure why the money was being frozen. JUDY WOODRUFF: So, Yamiche, as we mentioned,
still more testimony from current State Department and one former State Department official. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Yes. So the next person whose transcript was released
today is Christopher Anderson. He’s a special adviser for Ukraine negotiations. He’s also a career Foreign Service officer. And he was an aid to Kurt Volker, who was
the U.S. envoy to Ukraine at the time. So, he says that he essentially is filling
in the gaps with this irregular channel that Rudy Giuliani and others had when it comes
to our relationship with Ukraine and the U.S. policy with Ukraine. He says that Rudy Giuliani was seen as an
obstacle to both increasing relationship with Ukraine, but also as an obstacle when it comes
to pressuring Russia. The other thing is that he has a conversation
with William Taylor. Now, that is the current U.S. ambassador to
Ukraine. And they both say, look, we shouldn’t be pushing
for any sort of individual investigation. They don’t mention the Bidens by name, but
they say anything having to do with that is really not something that the U.S. should
be involved in. He does, of course, also say that he didn’t
actually hear Kurt Volker, which, again, is the U.S. envoy to Ukraine — the U.S. envoy
to Ukraine. He didn’t actually hear him say that there
was any sort of investigation that needed to be done with the Bidens or with Burisma,
which is, of course, the company that Hunter Biden was working for. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, Lisa, yet another set
of transcripts. LISA DESJARDINS: Right. So the woman without took over from Christopher
Anderson is named Catherine Croft. She was then the next adviser to Kurt Volker. She is also a special adviser for Ukraine
negotiations. Now, a couple of things about her. As you see, she also worked on Ukraine issues
for the National Security Council. Nine years, she has under her belt, as a matter
of fact, as a career Foreign Service officer. Now, what is interesting is, she took over
from the man Yamiche was just talking about in July. That is right as all of this was starting
to happen. JUDY WOODRUFF: In the middle of this. LISA DESJARDINS: In the middle of this. She said Kurt Volker told her he was going
to try and keep her out of the Giuliani mess. However, she also said Kurt Volker came to
her about this idea of asking Ukraine for an investigation and asked her, have we ever
done this before, meaning has the United States ever asked another country for an investigation
like this? It was that exceptional to them. One other note. The timeline just expanded with her testimony. She said that the first — there was another
package of Ukrainian aid back in 2017. At that point, one agency had objected to
that Ukrainian aid. It was Mick Mulvaney, when he ran the Office
of Management of Budget. And she testifies that Mulvaney didn’t like
the aid then because he was worried about what Russia would think. The whole point of this aid is to protect
Ukraine from Russian aggression. But here was Mulvaney trying to protect — or
worried about what Russia thought. JUDY WOODRUFF: With a different set of priorities. And just quickly, Yamiche, Mick Mulvaney,
speaking of him, over the weekend, we learned he is trying to join the lawsuit by former
National Security Adviser John Bolton and his deputy, Charles Kupperman, who are appealing
whether they should testify before Congress. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: So, the acting chief of
staff, Mick Mulvaney, is very important to this, a lot for the reasons that Lisa just
pointed out. There are officials and witnesses pointing
to Mick Mulvaney in their testimony, saying he was part of the White House strategy, he
was the one that was having these conversations. Now Mick Mulvaney is essentially saying, look,
I want the courts to decide whether or not I should have to testify before Congress. That is controversial because he works just
a few feet away from the president of the United States. And, essentially, the White House is telling
him, we don’t want you to show up to Congress. But if the courts essentially tell Mick Mulvaney
to show up, he is now saying, I might show up. That is going to be very problematic for his
relationship with President Trump. The other thing to note is all the politics
is that Mick Mulvaney is being seen as on the outs with the president. This is someone who still has an acting title
in his title. He’s not — he’s acting chief of staff, not
permanent chief of staff. And, as a result, people think that this is
also maybe possibly a warning to President Trump that I could go to Congress and tell
things about you if you don’t essentially bring me back into the inner circle. JUDY WOODRUFF: Very fast-moving, as we are
now just a little more than a day away from these public hearings. LISA DESJARDINS: Right. JUDY WOODRUFF: And a lot of fast work on the
part of both of you. Thank you, Lisa. Thank you, Yamiche. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Thanks. LISA DESJARDINS: You’re welcome. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, as we just heard, transcripts
of closed-door closed-door testimonies from various State Department officials put Rudy
Giuliani at the center of the impeachment inquiry. He is the president’s personal lawyer, but
now his own actions in Ukraine, ones that are being called shadow foreign policy, have
put him and his associates under the microscope. Yamiche is back now with this report on how
a man once known as America’s mayor arrived at this moment. RUDY GIULIANI, Attorney for President Donald
Trump: That we can save a few people. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: The attacks on September
11, 2001, thrust Rudy Giuliani onto the national stage. OPRAH WINFREY, Producer/Philanthropist: America’s
mayor. He’s the mayor of New York City. Ladies and gentleman, Rudy Giuliani. (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) RUDY GIULIANI: So, I thank you very much for
your leadership on the ground. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: For a city in crisis, Giuliani,
the mayor of New York, was seen as a steady leader. He helped rally those in grief and is often
remembered for his fortitude during those times. Prior to 9/11, Giuliani was a polarizing figure. RUDY GIULIANI: I speak my mind. It was that way yesterday. It’s going to be that way today. It’s going to be the same tomorrow. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: He presented himself as
a tough-on-crime mayor who was going to clean up the city. RUDY GIULIANI: It’s going to stop and end
when we change the people who are running New York City. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: But, under his tenure, New
York ushered in controversial policing tactics. A federal judge later ruled some were racial
discriminatory and were, hence, unconstitutional. Before he was mayor, Giuliani made a name
for himself as one of the country’s most powerful prosecutors. RUDY GIULIANI: You’re dealing with a true
crime empire. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Early in the Reagan administration,
he was the associate attorney general, the third highest position in the Department of
Justice. Then he became U.S. attorney for the federal
prosecutor’s office in Manhattan. There, he was known for going after corruption
and organized crime. RUDY GIULIANI: Twelve board members have aided
and abetted wire fraud. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Andrea Bernstein, co-host
of the “Trump, Inc.” podcast from WNYC and ProPublica, has covered Giuliani for decades. ANDREA BERNSTEIN, WNYC: He put the families
that ran the national mafia in prison. He sent corrupt political figures to prison,
including a business partner of Roy Cohn, who President Trump has often referred to
as the lawyer no one else could match. And he also went after Wall Street traders. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In New York, Giuliani was
a big name. So was Donald Trump. The two ran in similar circles. ANDREA BERNSTEIN: They’re of a certain era. And they both have really made their bones
by selling their brands, in Trump’s case, glitz and success, in Rudy Giuliani’s case,
law and order. When Rudy ran for mayor, Trump became a major
financial backer. And the Giuliani administration helped Trump’s
business projects. And they struck up a friendship, a chemistry,
really, which has lasted all the way into the present. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In the year 2000, the two
appeared together in a comedy sketch for a press dinner. RUDY GIULIANI: Oh, you dirty boy. Oh. Oh. Donald, I thought you were a gentleman. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In 2007, not long after
leaving the mayor’s office, Giuliani ran for the Republican nomination for president. For several months, he was the front-runner,
but dropped out after the Florida primary without securing a single delegate. RUDY GIULIANI: Thank you all for your hard
work, your spirit, and your support. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In 2016, Giuliani was an
early and vocal supporter of then candidate Trump. RUDY GIULIANI: What I did for New York, Donald
Trump will do for America! (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) YAMICHE ALCINDOR: When Robert Mueller began
investigating the president as special counsel, Mr. Trump turned to Giuliani to be one of
his personal lawyers. Giuliani took their defense right to the court
of public opinion on TV. RUDY GIULIANI: The president didn’t collude
with the Russians, whatever contact, nobody. CHRIS CUOMO, CNN: He said nobody had any contact. Tons of people had contact. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Now Giuliani finds himself
at the center of the impeachment inquiry. CHRIS CUOMO: So, you did ask Ukraine to look
into Joe Biden? RUDY GIULIANI: Of course I did. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In closed-door depositions
on Capitol Hill, a parade of witnesses said Giuliani played a critical role in shaping
U.S. policy to Ukraine to benefit President Trump politically. The initial whistle-blower complaint that
sparked the impeachment inquiry states: “The president’s personal lawyer, Mr. Rudy Giuliani,
is a central figure in this effort.” The top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine, William
Taylor, told U.S. House investigators he was concerned about Giuliani’s actions. He said Giuliani was leading a — quote — “irregular,
informal channel of U.S. policy making with respect to Ukraine.” For Giuliani, his work abroad has often been
met with legal scrutiny. In 2001, Giuliani launched a lucrative consulting
firm. His clients were all over the globe, Brazil,
Qatar, Romania, Argentina. ANDREA BERNSTEIN: By the time he ran for president
in 2007, his disclosure forms showed that he’d gone from having less than $5 million
in assets when he left City Hall to about somewhere between $20 million and $50 million
in assets, and much of that had come through these foreign business relationships. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: A lot of that work remains
mysterious. For example, his work in Turkey and with an
Iranian dissident group may have broken the law. BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN: Rudy Giuliani is going
on a fishing trip, as in an information-gathering mission, in Ukraine. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Ukraine though is at the
heart of the impeachment inquiry. It may also be central to a possible criminal
investigation into Giuliani. CHUCK TODD, Moderator, “Meet The Press”: A
criminal investigation into Rudy Giuliani’s work in Ukraine. HOWARD KURTZ, FOX News: And joining us now
from New York is a key figure in the Ukraine drama, Rudy Giuliani. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Giuliani made his first
trip to Ukraine in 2003. That began a decade of consulting and publicity
trips to the country. ANDREA BERNSTEIN: People in countries around
the world see him as a conduit to the Trump administration. He began working in Ukraine for the mayors
of various cities, for the mayor of Kharkiv, for the mayor of Kiev. He began making trips there. It doesn’t seem like these trips involved
real consulting work, maybe a speech, but certainly appearances. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: During the first two years
of the Trump administration, Giuliani ramped up his trips to Ukraine. He sought to dig up dirt on President Trump’s
political rivals there. To do so, he turned to two associates, Lev
Parnas and Igor Fruman. ANDREA BERNSTEIN: These two individuals, with
a series of different kinds of businesses, but no real track record in American politics,
began to get very, very close and to make very generous donations to Trump’s political
causes. What was unusual about this is that they really
didn’t have a business profile, and yet they were making contributions running up to the
hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republican political causes. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Giuliani dispatched Parnas
and Fruman to Kiev, the capital city of Ukraine. They were to uncover information to undermine
the U.S. intelligence community and special counsel Mueller’s findings that Russia interfered
in the 2016 election. In their efforts, the two connected Giuliani
with the Ukrainian prosecutor general at the time, Yuriy Lutsenko. RUDY GIULIANI: Lutsenko is somebody that,
at one point in the past year said, that he had information that could be damaging to
the Bidens and was working closely with Rudy Giuliani in his effort to, as Giuliani saw
it, expose some kind of malfeasance by the Biden family. Now, it’s worth saying that there is no such
evidence of that. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Giuliani’s meetings with
the Ukrainian prosecutor are an important thread in the impeachment investigation. As for Parnas and Fruman, they ran into their
own legal troubles. WILLIAM SWEENEY, Assistant FBI Director: This
Investigation is about corrupt behavior, deliberate lawbreaking. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: The two have been indicted
by federal prosecutors for allegedly illegally funneling campaign contributions to get the
U.S. ambassador to Ukraine removed from her post, among other charges. JOHN SULLIVAN, U.S. Ambassador to Russia Nominee:
My knowledge in the spring and summer of this year about any involvement of Mr. Giuliani
was in connection with a campaign against our ambassador to Ukraine. YAMICHE ALCINDOR: That was President Trump’s
nominee to be ambassador of Russia, Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan, in his public
confirmation hearing before the Senate last month. As these questions swirl, Giuliani has been
noticeably absent from his once frequent TV appearances. He has been subpoenaed by the U.S. House. So far, he is refusing to comply. For the “PBS NewsHour,” I’m Yamiche Alcindor. JUDY WOODRUFF: To set the stage for this first
week of public impeachment hearings and talk about the 2020 presidential race, I’m here
with Amy Walter of The Cook Political Report. She’s also the host of public radio’s “Politics
With Amy Walter.” And Tamara Keith of NPR, she also co-hosts
the “NPR Politics Podcast.” And before I turn to both of you — and welcome,
by the way, Politics Monday — a little bit of late-breaking news. And we were just talking about it with Yamiche
and Lisa. And that is the inquiry — or the filing by
the acting White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, who was wanting to join the lawsuit
by former White House special — National Security Adviser John Bolton, his deputy,
Charles Kupperman, who were questioning their being subpoenaed to appear before Congress. He’s now withdrawn that filing. So we can set that aside for the moment. But the drama continues in so many other pieces,
as both of you know. And, Amy, these hearings, public hearings,
starting in two days, how is this going to be different from hearings behind closed doors? (CROSSTALK) AMY WALTER, The Cook Political Report: Right,
other than the fact it’s out in public. JUDY WOODRUFF: On cameras. AMY WALTER: Right. Well, the theory row is that this could maybe
change people’s opinions about impeachment, which I’m very doubtful that is going to happen. If you go back and you look at what the public
hearings did during the Nixon impeachment era, they did move public opinion pretty steadily. When the summer of 1973 started and the impeachment
hearings were public, they were watched by almost everybody; 70 percent of Americans
said they watched those hearings live at some point. And the president, Nixon, his approval ratings
dropped significantly over that summer, dropped about 13 points. And interest and support for more investigation
into Watergate rose. Let’s fast-forward to now. People are much more polarized and partisan
even than they were back in the 1970s. People are getting their information from
so many different sources. There is not just four television stations. Obviously, people are going to go to the news
sources or the Internet or social media that appeals to them. And so I think what we’re going to see is
one hearing and a lot of different interpretations of that hearing by a lot of different sources. And we’re going to see them, I think, Americans,
still pretty well-settled into how they feel about this. The one group that I’m watching for are those
independent voters, who probably haven’t been paying that much attention as partisans have
to this process. Maybe they get moved a little bit. Right now, they are a little less supportive
of impeachment than supportive of it. Maybe this pushes that, but it’s going to
be very hard to do that. JUDY WOODRUFF: But, Tam, we may see witnesses
called by the Republicans. We’re waiting to see how that plays out, right? TAMARA KEITH, National Public Radio: We are
waiting to see how that plays out. They have put in a long wish list. And the best way to describe it is a wish
list that they have sent to the Democrats on the Intelligence Committee. The chairman, Adam Schiff, is the one who
gets to decide ultimately. He has the ultimate power to decide who gets
called. Now, this list the Republicans sent over includes
names like Hunter Biden and the anonymous whistle-blower, who they would like to have
publicly testify. Schiff has already made it clear that he has
no interest in either of those potential witnesses. But there are some other names on that list,
like Ambassador Volker, or Tim Morrison, who is a National Security Council aide — or
was. And both of them are people who have provided
closed-door depositions. In those depositions, there were some items
that Republicans took some solace in. Morrison, for instance, said that, although
he was concerned about the president’s call with Zelensky, he didn’t think that a law
had been broken. His concerns were more about U.S. and Ukrainian
relations and other things like that. So — but, in their testimony, if you read
it, there are also a lot of things that are damaging to the president and that further
corroborate this narrative that Democrats have built up around the call, that Democrats
have been able to sort of corroborate around the call. And so it seems possible, at least, that Democrats
would be willing to hear from those witnesses, because they are not slam-dunk great witnesses
for the president. JUDY WOODRUFF: That’s right. And you mentioned Hunter Biden and Joe Biden. We are going to talk about 2020 very quickly,
Amy, but is Joe Biden in the clear here? I mean, we don’t… (CROSSTALK) AMY WALTER: Well, certainly, Republicans do
not want to let him go in the clear. And they want to still make that case in the
House, which, as Tam pointed out, is not likely to happen. Where it could be an issue is, if impeachment
passes, it goes to the Senate, and it’s Republicans in charge in the Senate side, of course, and
they can call witnesses there during the trial. JUDY WOODRUFF: Right. TAMARA KEITH: And one other thing. In the sort of cross-examination and the questioning
that Republicans will do of these witnesses in this public hearing, in the private depositions,
they were asking about Hunter and Joe Biden. So you can expect them to do that in public
as well. JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, for whatever reasons,
a man named Mike Bloomberg has decided, maybe Joe Biden’s chances don’t look as good as
he thought a few months ago. He is now seriously exploring getting in. Amy, quickly to you first. Is this going to change the race, if he gets
in? AMY WALTER: If he gets in, maybe, but on the
margins. Look, there has been conventional wisdom among
— especially among Democrats inside the Beltway, elites and establishment that Joe Biden cannot
win the nomination and Elizabeth cannot win the race against Donald Trump. And so what is happening today is, this establishment,
elite group of people saying we have got to find a way to ensure that, if it is not Joe
Biden, if he collapses, because there is this assumption amongst this group that he is going
to collapse, that somebody has to be there as sort of the moderate standard-bearer. Elizabeth Warren’s positions, especially on
things like Medicare for all, are way too far to the left for the swing state voters. But is Michael Bloomberg the answer that people
are looking for? If you are Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg
or any of those other candidates in that lane… JUDY WOODRUFF: The other — in the moderate
lane. AMY WALTER: … you’re raising your hand and
saying, you know what, I think I can pick up that slack if Joe Biden is not around. JUDY WOODRUFF: And, meanwhile, Biden, of course,
is saying, I’m not week. Hey, I am go to win this thing. AMY WALTER: Right. TAMARA KEITH: Right. And he is still running for president. And — though it’s interesting, one of my
colleagues, Scott Detrow, spoke with of Biden’s allies, who said, well, you know, if Biden
isn’t in the race, then Michael Bloomberg would be a great option, which was slightly
off-message. (LAUGHTER) AMY WALTER: More than slightly. JUDY WOODRUFF: Slightly off-message. So, very quickly to Amy Klobuchar, who said,
we noticed yesterday, in an interview — she was asked about Pete Buttigieg, who has done
very well in the polls, with money. And she said, if the women on the stage: “My
fellow women senators, Harris, Warren and myself, do I think we would be standing on
that stage if we had the experience that he had? No, I don’t. Maybe we’re held to a different standard.” Are they? AMY WALTER: For sure, women are held to a
different standard. At the same time, I think it also shows the
degree to which Iowa has become the most important state, overwhelmingly so. If Pete Buttigieg gets a foothold by doing
really well in Iowa it puts Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris, those others out of the mix. JUDY WOODRUFF: Double standard? TAMARA KEITH: Certainly, she is stating a
fact of American politics. Women in politics tend not even to run for
higher office or to run for the Senate, until they are much older, because this has been
the standard. There is like a desire to have a great amount
of experience for female candidates. JUDY WOODRUFF: Speaking of these women, we
are going to see them and the guys on stage a week from this Wednesday. AMY WALTER: That’s right. TAMARA KEITH: Right. JUDY WOODRUFF: Tamara Keith, Amy Walter, thank
you both. AMY WALTER: You’re welcome. TAMARA KEITH: You’re welcome. JUDY WOODRUFF: And we want you to please join
us, in the meantime, for special live coverage of the first public impeachment hearings. We start on Wednesday at 10:00 a.m. Eastern time. And be sure to sign up for our newsletter,
which is dedicated to the topic. You can find the link to subscribe at Tomorrow, the Supreme Court will hear arguments
that could decide the fate of hundreds of thousands of dreamers. That’s the younger generation of undocumented
immigrants brought to this country by their parents and protected from deportation. The justices will hear arguments over a series
of lawsuits around the Obama era decision and President Trump’s efforts to end it. Whatever the outcome, it will be one of the
signature decisions of this session and will land right in the middle of the 2020 campaign. Amna Nawaz looks at the stakes and how we
got to this moment. AMNA NAWAZ: In 2012, then President Barack
Obama was running for reelection when he announced a new executive action, a program giving undocumented
immigrants the chance to apply for protection from deportation. BARACK OBAMA, Former President of the United
States: This morning, Secretary Napolitano announced new actions my administration will
take to mend our nation’s immigration policy, to make it more fair, more efficient, and
more just, specifically for certain young people sometimes called dreamers. AMNA NAWAZ: Those who qualified for the Deferred
Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, had to arrive in the United States before
June 2007 and before turning 16, be enrolled in school, or have a high school diploma or
GED, and pass a background check with no felony convictions. DACA status shielded enrollees from deportation,
was renewable every two years, and allowed recipients to work legally in the U.S. Nearly 800,000 people received that protection,
including Ewaoluwa Ogundana. Whether she and others should still receive
those same protections is a central question the Supreme Court will take up tomorrow. At the age of five, Ogundana was brought to
America from Nigeria. She received DACA status when she was 15. EWAOLUWA OGUNDANA, DACA Recipient: DACA changed
my life so much for the better. I was just constantly insecure. And then knowing that I was an immigrant,
and I technically — like, hearing that I didn’t belong here, it just added to that
insecurity. So, when I had DACA, and I knew I could work,
and I knew I could have a driver’s license, and I could drive, and I could have my own
car, I didn’t feel like I had to be insecure about anything anymore. Like, it broke that barrier of insecurity. AMNA NAWAZ: But the security DACA provided
was supposed to be only temporary, as President Obama said in 2012. BARACK OBAMA: This is not a path to citizenship. It’s not a permanent fix. This is a temporary stopgap measure that lets
us focus our resources wisely while giving a degree of relief and hope to talented, driven,
patriotic young people. AMNA NAWAZ: The president’s move was met by
a Republican chorus of criticism, branding DACA illegal and unconstitutional. In 2014, when Obama proposed expanding DACA
to protect parents of dreamers, the Republican-controlled House struck back, voting to defund DACA;
26 states followed with suits to block the expansion. In the years since, lawmakers have tried and
failed to pass several bipartisan versions of the DREAM Act to offer qualified dreamers
a long-term solution, despite strong bipartisan support for a legislative fix. SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL): I do believe it’s unconstitutional,
whether you agree with the merits of it or not. But I also believe that it should be replaced,
it comes to an end because it’s replaced by something that is constitutional, which is
a legislative action. AMNA NAWAZ: Dreamers’ fate was thrown into
further uncertainty when candidate Donald Trump vowed to eliminate DACA entirely. Here he is in June of 2015. DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States:
I will immediately terminate President Obama’s illegal executive order on immigration, immediately. AMNA NAWAZ: Once elected, President Trump
appeared to soften his stance. DONALD TRUMP: We’re going to show great heart. DACA is a very, very difficult subject for
me, I will tell you. To me, it’s one of the most difficult subjects
I have, because you have these incredible kids, in many cases, not in all cases. AMNA NAWAZ: But seven months later, the administration
announced it would be terminating DACA. Then Attorney General Jeff Sessions: JEFF SESSIONS, Former U.S. Attorney General:
To have a lawful system of immigration that serves the national interest, we cannot admit
everyone who would like to come here. AMNA NAWAZ: Courts have since halted the president’s
move, and several offers to reform DACA have been rejected by the Trump administration,
including another bipartisan bill from Illinois Senator Dick Durbin, a Democrat, and South
Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham. SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-SC): There are a lot of
people on the Republican side of the aisle understand your dilemma, and we want to find
a fair solution, because you have done nothing wrong. You came here as children. You have contributed to society. You have passed criminal background checks. AMNA NAWAZ: That plan included a 12-year path
to citizenship and $1.6 billion for the president’s border wall. While the overwhelming majority of DACA recipients
come from Mexico, dreamers come from at least 200 different countries, according to government
data. Today, after failed attempts to pass legislation
and strike a deal with the administration, the futures of roughly 700,000 people brought
to this country as children lies with the Supreme Court. But the arguments heard by the justices may
focus on very specific legal questions. Lower courts have found the Trump administration
didn’t provide a solid rationale for its decision to end DACA. The administration argues it has the ability
to do so through executive power. For the “PBS NewsHour,” I’m Amna Nawaz. JUDY WOODRUFF: Rural America has experienced
a rebound of sorts in recent years. And some residents of those areas point to
a perhaps unexpected reason: the arts. The National Governors Association reports
that rural counties with performing arts organizations had population growth three times higher than
counties without them. Jeffrey Brown recently found a gathering celebrating
and helping to spread this trend. It’s part of our ongoing arts and culture
coverage, Canvas. JEFFREY BROWN: Friday night, hot jazz, but
we’re not in a flashy club in New York. This is the VFW in the town of Grand Rapids
in Northern Minnesota. On the guitar, Sam Miltich, who grew up here
and has performed in hundreds of venues around the world, but this small stage is home. SAM MILTICH, Jazz Guitarist: People thought
I was kind of crazy to try and make a life as a jazz musician in Northern Minnesota. JEFFREY BROWN: Yes, it does sound a little
crazy. SAM MILTICH: It does sound a little crazy. And, actually, maybe it is a little bit crazy. But the quality of life where I grew up was
just so high. And I was, like, acutely aware of how good
that life was. And I wanted that life. JEFFREY BROWN: And he’s not alone, as we saw
in the nearby performing arts center that played host to a recent rural arts and culture
summit and. The summit is a biennial event held in different
towns. This one brought together some 350 artists
and community leaders from 25 states to exchange ideas, celebrate the role of creativity in
small towns, and fight a national narrative about rural America in decline. LAURA ZABEL, Executive Director, Springboard
for the Arts: That’s a pretty simple way to tell that story. And I think underlying that story is often
this attitude of sort of, well, why don’t you just get over it or why don’t you just
move? I think that kind of ignores the history and
the complexity, and it often ignores all of the people who are working really hard to
make what’s next for that community. JEFFREY BROWN: Laura Zabel heads Springboard
for the Arts, a Minnesota organization that helps artists and organizations in both urban
and rural areas and puts on the summit. Where do you see the arts fitting in? What’s the role of arts and artists? LAURA ZABEL: They sort of have this ability
to make meaning from — sometimes from the really hard parts of what it means to live
in a rural community right now. And I think that’s necessary for a community
to move forward, that, rather than just telling people, get over it, people need outlets for
their pain and their shame and their joy. JEFFREY BROWN: The summit focuses on the practical
side of succeeding in rural areas: There are consultations for legal aid, economic planning
and career advice. With a dream of being a professional dancer,
Molly Johnston left her hometown of Battle Lake, Minnesota, with a population of less
than 1,000, for college in Philadelphia. She remembers thinking she wouldn’t return
until retirement. MOLLY JOHNSTON, Co-Director, DanceBARN Collective:
I was the first one out of town after graduation ready to explore the world. JEFFREY BROWN: But family and lifestyle pulled
her back to Battle Lake. The problem? How to make it work as a dancer. MOLLY JOHNSTON: I’m creating opportunities
that didn’t exist in the first place. So it’s not like I… JEFFREY BROWN: In what sense? I mean, explain that to me. MOLLY JOHNSTON: Well I mean, there’s no dance
studio in Battle Lake, for instance, so I can’t just like walk in and be like, hey,
I have my master’s in dance. Can you give me a job and a weekly paycheck? JEFFREY BROWN: So she and a colleague created
their own organization, DanceBARN Collective, to put on a festival and give opportunities
to those living in rural communities. She also teaches dance classes to make ends
meet. MOLLY JOHNSTON: We’re becoming part of our
town’s makeup, that when they see that DanceBARN is doing a pop-up show at the bar on Thursday
night, people show up. I think that’s something really beautiful
and surprising about living in a rural town. JEFFREY BROWN: Jay Arrowsmith DeCoux came
to the summit with a different perspective, as mayor of Grand Marais, Minnesota, a small
town of about 1,300 people that sits on Lake Superior near the Canadian border. It’s a town that’s long valued the arts, he
says, but is now making them part of its planning and policies, like incorporating artists and
creative design into the reconstruction of a local highway. JAY ARROWSMITH DECOUX, Mayor of Grand Marais,
Minnesota: The idea is that if you can at least consider art when you’re working on
any policy then you won’t create barriers to the development of art in your community. JEFFREY BROWN: Everyone here acknowledges
the challenges of making a life in art in a small town: earning enough income, housing,
finding an audience. AMBER BUCKANAGA, Fashion Designer: There’s
a lot of this that is really — that’s uncomfortable for us. JEFFREY BROWN: Amber Buckanaga has faced those
and other challenges firsthand. A member of the Leech Lake Band of Chippewa,
she lives in East Lake, on the reservation, and works as a fashion designer, incorporating
traditional patterns into contemporary clothing. But lack of access to proper equipment and
technology are a constraint. The Wi-Fi in her area, she says, isn’t even
worth paying for. AMBER BUCKANAGA: We do have those challenges. And then on top of us being indigenous people,
it becomes more challenging. The access that these that the non-indigenous
population has to, like, arts spaces and resources, it just — it’s there right in front of them,
and it comes to them, and people feel more comfortable inviting them to those things. So… JEFFREY BROWN: You don’t have that network. AMBER BUCKANAGA: No. No, we just don’t have that. JEFFREY BROWN: Here in Grand Rapids, where
the massive paper mill and the crucial timber industry have struggled, an arts community
has blossomed. There’s a gallery and small shops, pop-ups
in the beautifully-restored old school house, an art walk on the first Friday of each month. And jazz guitarist Sam Miltich, a full-time
musician, is a regular at the VFW. With grants from a state sales tax fund for
arts and culture, he’s able to bring musicians from urban areas to play with him in Grand
Rapids. Miltich says he feels a sense of mission. SAM MILTICH: I think someone dubbed the term
jazz ambassador of the north or some such thing. You know, and I have always… JEFFREY BROWN: Which you embrace? SAM MILTICH: Which I embrace. JEFFREY BROWN: Yes. SAM MILTICH: And I have always felt, I think
it’s a little bit of an equity thing, where I always have felt that rural people are every
bit as deserving of art as any other group, and maybe more so, because they don’t have
as much access to it. So it’s about providing access. JEFFREY BROWN: For the “PBS NewsHour,” I’m
Jeffrey Brown in Grand Rapids, Minnesota. JUDY WOODRUFF: We close tonight with a tour
of commemorations on this Veterans Day, from the president’s visit to New York City, the
vice president’s trip to Arlington National Cemetery, and beyond, as America halted to
express its gratitude to the men and women who have defended the United States. GEN. DAVID BERGER, U.S. Marine Corps Commandant:
Today, we gather to recognize the service of everyday patriots who have dedicated their
lives to our country, men and women who raised their hand and took a solemn oath. VINCENT MCGOWAN, President Emeritus, United
States Veterans Council: The veterans community really stands for solidarity, regardless of
the things that separate Americans, service to our country, honor amongst our relationships
with one another, trust and respect of one another. MIKE PENCE, Vice President of the United States:
You put on the armor. You stood in the gap. You defended our freedom. You counted our lives more important than
your own. You stood for a cause greater than yourselves. CMDR. FRANK KOWALSKI, National President, Catholic
War Veterans: In particular, we salute those who came home with the scars of war, who continue
to fight daily against mental, emotional and physical disabilities. We can never thank them and support them enough. They are an inspiration to us all. GOV. J.B. PRITZKER (D-IL): When our veterans complete
their service, it becomes the shared duty of all Americans to serve our veterans, to
listen to them, to honor them and to ensure that they receive the care and support that
they need. BRIG. GEN. KRIS BELANGER, U.S. Army Reserve: Their service
and sacrifice from the gas-filled trenches of World War I to the mountains of Afghanistan
and the deserts of Iraq chronicle much of the history of the century just passed and
the one we are in now. DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States:
On Veterans Day, our nation rededicates itself to our most solemn duty. While we can never repay our warriors for
their boundless service and sacrifice, we must uphold with supreme vigilance our sacred
obligation to care for those who have borne the battle. To every veteran here today and all across
our land, you are America’s greatest living heroes, and we will cherish you now, always
and forever. JUDY WOODRUFF: And we do salute all of America’s
veterans. And that is the “NewsHour” for tonight. I’m Judy Woodruff. Join us online and again here tomorrow evening. For all of us at the “PBS NewsHour,” thank
you, and we’ll see you soon.

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