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Maine Legislature Sabotaging Important Reform

Maine Legislature Sabotaging Important Reform


LAST YEAR VOTERS IN MAINE
PASSED A BALLOT INITIATIVE TO SWITCH THEIR VOTING SYSTEM OVER
TO WHAT IS CALLED A RANKED CHOICE VOTING SYSTEM. THERE IS A
GOOD CHOICE IF YOU ARE WATCHING THIS SHOW YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH
THAT, IT WAS TALKED ABOUT A GOOD AMOUNT DURING THE LAST ROUND OF
PRIMARIES BECAUSE IT IS WIDELY SEEN AS ONE OF THE WAYS, AMONG
OTHER THINGS, IT IS INTENDED TO FIX A LOT OF PROBLEMS, THAT
THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATES COULD POTENTIALLY MAKE MORE HEADWAY IN
U.S. ELECTIONS. IT’S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT UP UNTIL NOW IN THE
U.S. IT IS USED FOR SOME TYPES OF ELECTIONS IN 11 U.S. CITIES,
UNIFORMLY BLUE CITIES, BUT THEY PASSED THIS BALLOT INITIATIVE IN
MAINE TO SWITCH OVER THEIR VOTING SYSTEM, JUST FOR
STATEWIDE RACES, BUT IT’S CERTAINLY SOMETHING. IF YOU
AREN’T FAMILIAR WITH HOW THIS WOULD FUNCTION, HERE’S A BRIEF
OVERVIEW, ALTHOUGH I RECOMMEND YOU READ MORE ON THIS
BECAUSE THERE’S A LOT OF INTERESTING INFORMATION — IF
THERE WERE FOUR PEOPLE RUNNING FOR CONGRESS HE WOULD SAY I VOTE THIS GUY NUMBER ONE,
HER NUMBER TWO, THEM NUMBER THREE, WHATEVER — THE IDEA IS, RIGHT NOW YOU
HAVE TO MAKE THIS DECISION BETWEEN BACKING ONE CANDIDATE,
AND IF IT’S A CANDIDATE THAT DOESN’T HAVE A VERY HIGH CHANCE
OF WINNING IN MANY CASES IT MIGHT BE THAT IN TERMS OF
AFFECTING THE ELECTION VOTES COULD BE WASTED — THAT MIGHT
NOT BE THE RIGHT TERM, BUT THE CANDIDATE DOESN’T GET ELECTED. WITH THIS SORT OF SYSTEM YOU CAN VOTE FOR WHOEVER YOU WANT AND IF
THERE’S NO PLURALITY, IF THEY GET THREE OR FIVE OR 10% AND NO
ONE GETS OVER 50%, THEIR SECOND PLACE CANDIDATE BUT STILL HAVE
YOUR SUPPORT. IT WOULD FREE PEOPLE UP TO SUPPORT CANDIDATES
THAT RIGHT NOW THE SYSTEM SORT OF TRIES TO STOP YOU FROM
SUPPORTING. THAT’S NOT THE WAY EVERYONE WOULD DESCRIBE THE
SYSTEM BUT THAT’S ONE OF THE WAYS I SEE IT ANYWAY. THIS ISN’T
COMMON IN THE U.S., BUT — THEY PASSED IT IN A BALLOT
INITIATIVE, LOOK AT THAT. PEOPLE IN MAINE DECIDED THE SYSTEM
RIGHT NOW ISN’T DELIVERING THE RESULTS THEY WANT, AND THEY
AREN’T JUST LOOKING TO GET ONE PERSON IN THERE, THEY ARE
LOOKING TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE WOULDN’T
ACT. UNFORTUNATELY THEN THE LEGISLATURE DID ACT — IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT’S THEIR
WAY OF DELAYING IT TO THE END OF TIME, BECAUSE THAT’S A LOT OF
TIME TO DELAY — NOT ONLY IS IT DELAYED BUT IT
WILL ONLY GO INTO EFFECT AT THAT POINT IF THEY ALSO AMEND THE
CONSTITUTION. TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WORK SO HARD TO PASS THIS
BALLOT INITIATIVE ARE LIKE, NO, YOU AREN’T JUST GOING TO SHUT
DOWN OUR EFFORTS. SO AS OF TODAY, I BELIEVE, A JUDGE HAS
DECREED THAT THEY CAN HAVE 90 DAYS TO COLLECT OVER 60,000
SIGNATURES TO PLACE A PEOPLE’S VETO OF EFFECTIVELY THE VETO ON
THE BALLOT. THAT IS A LOT OF SIGNATURES TOGETHER IN A SHORT
PERIOD OF TIME IN A STATE LIKE MAINE, BUT TODAY ACTUALLY THERE
ARE HUNDREDS OF VOLUNTEERS GOING AROUND THE STATE TRYING TO
GATHER THOSE SIGNATURES, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ALREADY HAD A LOT
OF SUPPORT IN MAINE AND I THINK NOW AFTER THE REPUBLICAN ATTEMPT
TO SHUT IT DOWN PEOPLE SHOULD BE MORE INTERESTED IN THIS. SO
HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE ALREADY SOUGHT OUT AND PUT DOWN YOUR
SIGNATURE FOR THAT IF YOU LIVE IN MAINE. AND IF YOU LIVE IN MAINE YOU
CAN GO TO THEM, YOU DON’T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEM, IT’S THE
COMMITTEE FOR RANKED CHOICE VOTING IN MAINE, GO TO THEM,
MAKE IT EASY. SIGN THEIR PETITION AND GET YOUR BALLOT
INITIATIVE. BUT HOW MANY TIMES THIS MAINE HAVE TO VOTE TO GET
THE SAME THING? POOR MAINE. THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT
OUT, DON’T WAIT FOR THEM TO COME TO YOU, GO FIND THEM, AND IF YOU
HAVE EXTRA TIME MAYBE YOU CAN HELP GATHER SIGNATURES. 60,000
AIN’T NOTHING, BUT IF ENOUGH PEOPLE SIGN UP EACH PERSON ONLY
HAS TO GET SO MANY SIGNATURES AND THEN THE PEOPLE’S WILL CAN
ACTUALLY BE MADE INTO LAW, AND IMPORTANTLY AS WAS SUPPOSED TO
BE THE CASE IN U.S. HISTORY, WE HAVE 50 STATES, THEY ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE THESE LABORATORIES OF DEMOCRACY WHERE
WE CAN TRY THINGS OUT IN ONE STATE AND SEE HOW IT’S GOING. COLORADO JUST PASSED LEGAL MARIJUANA, LAST TIME I CHECKED
IT WASN’T MAD MAX THERE, THESE THINGS ARE USEFUL, IT WOULD BE
GREAT TO SEE MAINE USING THAT. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHY
IT IS THAT REPUBLICANS MIGHT SHUT THIS DOWN, YOU SHOULD KNOW
THAT — I HAVEN’T RUN ALL THE NUMBERS
BUT IT’S POSSIBLE THAT HAD THEY HAD THAT SYSTEM HE WOULD NOT BE
GOVERNOR TODAY, HE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN THERE TO MAKE RACIST
REMARKS ABOUT OUT OF STATE DRUG DEALERS AND WOULDN’T HAVE SHUT
DOWN MEDICAID EXPANSION, AND IT’S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT IN OTHER
CASES IF THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY HAD BEEN RUN THROUGH RANKED
CHOICE I DON’T THINK DONALD TRUMP WOULD BE PRESIDENT NOW,
BECAUSE YOU HAD THE ESTABLISHMENT, WEAK, SPINELESS
REPUBLICAN VOTE SPLIT BETWEEN A BUNCH OF INDIVIDUALS AND THAT
MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THE CASE HAD THEY HAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS. ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT THIS — I’M NOT SAYING IT’S
A PATTERN YET, BUT THE LEGISLATURE SHUTTING DOWN THE
SORT OF EFFORT REMINDED US HERE AT TYT OF ANOTHER THING THAT
HAPPENED IN SOUTH DAKOTA, THE PEOPLE PASSED AND ANTICORRUPTION
BALLOT MEASURE, IT STOPPED CERTAIN GIFTS BEING GIVEN FROM
LOBBYISTS THE POLITICIANS, IT SET UP AN INDEPENDENT
ORGANIZATION AND GOVERNMENT TO CHECK FOR CORRUPTION, THINGS
LIKE THAT, AND THE LEGISLATURE JUST SAID NO, WE AREN’T GOING TO
LET YOU SET THIS UP TO CONSTRAIN OUR ACTIVITIES, AND THEY SHUT IT
DOWN. IT’S GREAT TO SEE PEOPLE GETTING OUT THERE AND TRYING TO
REFORM THE SYSTEM BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POLITICIANS
DON’T SHUT DOWN THOSE REFORMS BEFORE THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY ARE
INTENDED TO DO.

88 comments on “Maine Legislature Sabotaging Important Reform

  1. and the moral of this story is……..we need new leadership…….that is more concerned about the future of America…….than their next election.

  2. Range Voting (or its Proportional Representation variant Reweighted Range Voting) is vastly superior. Rather than ranking each candidate in order, we should be giving each of them an independent numerical grade.

  3. I cannot believe what a sh*thole the US is.

    Endless mass shootings every day. Hollywood rape stories every day. A culture of decadence, violence, materialism, vice, debauchery, and insanity. Kids f*cking at the age of 9. Little girls being encouraged to dress sexually and be promiscuous in order to seek empowerment and validation. A shattered family structure filled with divorce, couples splitting up, out of wedlock children, child abandonment, and kids who grow up with no fathers. Drugs EVERYWHERE, so much so that they are more common than candy now. People killing others over X-Boxes, drugs, because they were "bullied", etc. A culture that, rather than being about intelligence, knowledge, and true meaning, is about decadence, attention seeking behaviour, violence, and, of course, sex. That's the only thing people care about today: sex. Its why there are so many kids watching porn at age 5, clothing companies marketing pedophilic clothes to preteen girls, child beauty pageants (which promote pedophilia), and a sex saturated culture in general.

    Our schools suck. Kids are dumber than ever before. College has been politicised, which is why half the country doesn't want to attend one. Our infrastructure is horrible. The economy is in shambles. There is no healthcare. Our police only know how to kill black people. People are so divided and broken, which is why we have this Thirty Years' War level of division and hate.

    I can't believe that any country could be so horrible.

    Share your thoughts. And don't say "If you don't like it, leave". That's the attitude that's killing us.

  4. Politicians think competition drives the country to greatness unless it means that they have to be held accountable to their constituent.

  5. We use this system. It is a bit fiddly in senate races where you can get over 100 candidates but they have a system now where you can just indicate your top 10 preferences.

  6. Mi has the same problem with our legal mj we passed it the state legislature has yet to implement it the same goes for right to work we as a state voted against it and the state legislature put it in a funding bill so we can repeal it

  7. Nice to see Maine has chosen the "let them THINK they decide anything" approach to its citizens. VERY democratic. Cant imagine why Paul wouldnt want the new voting method. Doubt it'll save him next time tho

  8. Maine residents can go by boat from Portsmouth to Salem, and there, may legally obtain marijuana.  Thanks to the freedom-loving constitutionalist small-govt republican conservatives in Maine.

  9. Heck yeah. Ranked choice means we can put Trump in 4th place behind all these independent party candidates and 1 democrat.

  10. Cuz they afraid of what's coming. When millennials gain more power than older generations, there could (possibly) be a huge change in the world.

  11. here in Aus, for senate vote, we can do from 1-87….. fishing party, sex party, arts party, cyclists party, smokers party, motorists party and on and on…… we can have a ball @ the voting booth…..

  12. Its obvious they dont want us to vote. I mean really behind closed doors they like it the way it is. REVOLT bitches…

  13. What does John mean that Maine is a small state? Does he mean by population? By land, it is the biggest of the New England states.

  14. So you all end up with a party that nobody really wanted or a series of coalitions that can't get anything done very quickly

  15. Don't bother with the petition or whatever, they'll find a way to delay it or throw it out. Just burn down the homes of your state senators and start a revolution already dammit! The people VS the corporate owned government! Invoke our second amendment rights to form a militia to overthrow a tyrannical government!

  16. There wouldn’t have been a constitutional problem if they had just tried to implement approval voting which is a better system anyway. Approval voting proponents warned about this exact thing happening.

    Under “rank choice voting” it is still not safe to vote for your favorite candidate. A candidate can beat beat every other candidate head to head, but he can get eliminated in the early rounds due to vote splitting.

  17. In theory this is a great way of electing officials. However, speaking from Australia it further promotes corruption and deceit of the public. In the end a major party always…ALWAYS gets in power. A politician can run on a position knowing he won't get voted in but knows that a large portion of people will vote for it; then when he "loses" his preferential votes go to the party with the alleged opposing view. Basically syphoning left wing/right wing voters to the other side. With the amount of legal corruption in the states, this system would be a disaster.

  18. I think this would be cool to test out in the primaries. It doesn’t seem applicable with the dual-party/candidate presidential elections unless we totally reform the electoral process.

  19. Would have been nice is TYT mentioned that it was Jill Stein of the Green Party who kept bringing it up during the primaries…since no one else would talk or it. It was also to help folks understand that with rank choice voting people would no longer need to fear that they needed to vote the " lesser of two evils". Which is b.s. pushed by our corrupt 2party system.

  20. go for it Maine. this type of voting should be worldwide. cutting edge Maine, show the rest of the world how to do it. support from Scotland.

  21. I'm part of FairVote, and I working on getting this done in Washington State. I really hope this becomes national and we will amend the constitution if we have to. America desperately needs this.

  22. Have it in Australia (called preference voting), can also vote straight ticket if you want, & vote on a Saturday. And a ca. $50 fine if you don't vote.
    > 98% of people vote, it's easy, pleasant, can do by mail also if you want.
    Politicians and particularly their parties are still holistically donor-corrupted, but they're both corroding fast and fading into irrelevant robotic messaging spewing shitheaps.

  23. As an Aussie I can tell you this preferential voting system works well it makes everyone's vote count by allowing you to vote for your preferred candidate without risking having it become a useless vote if that person is low polling and usually it does mean that the final counting round usually comes down to the major party candidates, but they are then using the the full area voting population to pick one from the rest as with the preferences distributed the winning candidate is the one that the MOST people voted for! Not just the one that of all 5 or 25 candidates got the most votes on a first past the post system, which is how your system is now. It also gives small party and independent candidates a fair chance at getting elected as if for example you have 5 candidates with similar views and appeal the people can vote for them as a first preference and then the rest on order before voting for the major party candidate and in many cases this will lead to more independent or minor party candidates winning seats and giving the power in the various houses of parliament on all levels to these small backed candidates these are usually the ones that are less likely to have been or likely to be corrupted by the special interest groups as they are mostly responsible to their voters not the party or the big backers

  24. The voters of Maine are getting screwed by governor Lepage, I’ve lost track of the bills he’s vetoed…he needs to go.

  25. Of course Maine's racist Jabba the Hutt would want this gone. Even if I had infinity choices, I would never vote for his bitch ass but, a ranked system means less votes for him. He and the legislature have got to put a stop to it.

  26. This story left out the reason why ranked choice voting is not being implemented. It wasn't the legislature that killed it; it was the state Supreme Court that ruled that it violated a provision in Maine's constitution.

  27. Any state can change their constitution.. make amendments to it thereof.. it's done all the time when it's a Republican backed referendum..

  28. This is just common sense really – and it removes a little bit of the "political game" from the system where you essentially have to "bet" on candidates based on odds just as much as your preference. Instead the voters have a greater chance of actually getting a representative they can approve of or at least tolerate.

    It also gives lesser known candidates a chance. Currently it's a chicken and egg situation where it's all or nothing and you need critical mass to be able to do anything at all (which is near impossible to get without support from the existing power structures most of the time). This is especially a problem in the US with it's 2 party system. This really ought to be applied to the presidential election too, and do away with primaries entirely. Let people vote their preferences regardless of what side they happen to belong to.

    This "with us or against us" tribalism bullshit is the root of so many of the problems in the US.
    There's so much talking about "being divided", but it doesn't exactly take a genius to understand that this is inevitable when there are literally 2 diametrically opposed sides to choose from. It makes people entrenched, dogmatic and extreme in their positions – and the only way to disagree with your current party is to suddenly flip your entire value system 180 degrees. A functioning democracy NEEDS a much wider and more nuanced range of options.

  29. The Dems are just as guilty in not wanting this. More and more people would start voting third party. Just like how the Dems and Repubs are in cahoots when they keep out third party candidates out of the Presidential debates. I as a Green am very familiar with this.

  30. Wtf ever happened to the reporting on whats going on in north dakota and voters who voted to get money outta politics and the Dakota government declared a state of emergency?!

  31. You Americans and your stupid first-past-the-post system…! No one would devise a democracy like this if they introduced it in a country today. It's like driving the Ford Model T of democracies in the age of Priuses.

  32. This type of voting system is terrible. This is just an attempt to get radicals with little support on the ballot. Our system has kept us sane and has kept communists, socialists and other dangerous people from taking power.

  33. Mainer here. Lepage is a douchebag and has no right to stop the will of the people. He's a less famous Trump with a little more experience with politics. He's a disgrace…

  34. It's called preferential voting here in Australia, and it works great. You should also have a public holiday on voting days, and ideally have voting be 'compulsory' like here in Aus 🙂

  35. In scotland we use the Single Tranferable Vote for our local council elections, It works pretty well, I wish they took it further up the chain. We get scare stories all the time about it causing the BNP or UKIP to become more dominant but it's a pretty weak argument when you consider that it still relies on the same voters. We don't all loose our brains as soon as we have more of a choice, it still relies on the party candidates reaching out and contacting the voters on a level that speaks them.

  36. In a college math class we did learned about this voting method in game theory. Along with other voting and proportionality, everyone gets a fair piece, and you get an even fairer piece. Which seems contradictory. But basically boils down to, you get exactly what you want, and so does everyone else.

  37. I'm not sure that would work. I'm willing to give it a try but this ranking voting system doesn't seem to fix the voting problem. It's MUCH DEEPER than that.

  38. Something i love about ranked voting? You don't need to have just one representative, this may be a pipe dream right now, but instead of needing above 50 percent choose one you can do just 50 for two (if a candodate goes over 50 they win a seat and there votes over 50 are devided amobg whose left), 33 for three, 25 for 4, 20 for 5, ect. Basically this makes sure political minorities still have a chance to have a representative fir them, like a super Republican district with 5 reps might get 3 republicans, a democrat, and ab indipendant. Basically gerrymandering becomes next to impossible and having multiple reps like this will give us a set of representatives that more accurately reflect the people. Cpgrey goes into this in his votibg in the animal kingdom videos, please check them out

  39. There is a simple solution to voting. 1 towns have your status as a citizen. So you vote in your town. No accessive rules or regulations. Eliminates gerrymandering. 2 parties and politicians running for offices are the ones that must register, and not the other way around. 3 no parties may have overall control with voters and voting rules. 4 all politicains or candidates must list what he or she is running for, and have the requisite signatures are then qualified to be on a ballot. See this way you the voters need only know the office the person is running for and what that person's policies are. No registering, no traveling long distances, or out of control forms of ID or proof. And you can vote in your town hall, schools, libraries, and churches. All of which will be in your local town, village, city, or hamlet. Very SIMPLE.

  40. 1 state does something like this it is double voting so if you dont mind standing in line twice and standing in the registration line you can in fact vote twice

    most people dont do this because it takes so long but in 2016 this happened a lot in that state because the trump supporters also wanted sanders and i think if i was given the option i would have voted for trump as well

    i wanted it to be sanders vs trump so badly

    thx for this ha bisky vid one of the reasons it wasnt sanders vs trump is because hillary shut down a voting polling place on primary election day by sending her husband into the voting polling place

  41. Feb 2, 2018: Maine's ranked-choice-movement has submitted 80K signatures, "citizens veto," of the legislatures refusal to act on the will of Maine's citizens! Dirigo!

  42. March 7, 2018: Maine continues to struggle with this question. The establishment does not want ranked-choice voting, and fights it assiduously. As it stands, the possibility remains that RCV will be used in the upcoming primaries for state candidates, but is continuously being fought in the courts. It also remains possible that the will of the Maine people, as expressed now twice by referendum, will once again be stymied.

  43. Barring super-delegates or the like; I think anyone that wants to run for a public office should be allowed to run for office; provided maybe that they get enough initial signatures or something like that.. Once a person qualifies, then they are entitled to financial backing (in the same amount that applies to all parties)… In the case of the Presidency; I think that the President should be the person with the most votes; and the Vice President should be the person with the second most votes; regardless of their party affiliations…

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