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Google Maps is Different in Other Countries

Google Maps is Different in Other Countries


In 2010 Nicaragua invaded Costa Rica. When asked why they’d seized territory, they claimed it belonged to them…. On Google Maps. Who did Costa Rica turn to first? Nicaragua? The United Nations? No They went straight to Google, because in the eyes of the world Google Maps has become the de facto world map. Despite having no legal authority over international borders, Google have become the world’s most powerful player. Borders are a uniquely human concept. In most of the world the only tangible legitimacy they have is through maps. But the cost and resources required to make a map are staggering. Until recently countries were the only ones who could afford it. Cartography was a nationalised industry, which meant no map was without bias or influence. Historically if you wanted to seize territory from a less powerful nation. You just re-drew the map. When questioned by locals, you show them the map. Ignore their claims of already living there, and hold up the only piece of real evidence that exists. This is basically how colonialism worked. But with more genocide. Probably the most extreme example is Africa. In 1884, 10% of Africa was under European control. Just 30 years later, this had risen to 90%. Land was negotiated from thousands of miles away and countries redrawn with little consideration for local or cultural boundaries. Yet the map drawn then remains largely unchanged today. Most would argue that today’s map of Africa is correct. There is some objective truth to it, but 130 years ago it was nothing of the sort. Over time the existence of a map is self legitimising. While countries were the sole map makers it was fine if two states disagreed over a border. Each produced their own map and their citizens would rarely have a chance to see any other version. But as the internet arrived, nationalised mapping decreased and companies like Google started to fill the gap. An international company creating an international map for all. Not quite. Google still relies on the approval of nation states. It’s all too easy to censor a website. Google only have to annoy one government to lose a country’s worth of users. Any errors along the China-India border could lose them a third of the world’s customers. The region of Arunachal Pradesh borders India, China, Bhutan and Myanmar. Administrated as a state of India, they keep a hundred thousand troops in the region. But China also claims ownership calling it South Tibet. Each country has laws to stop map makers drawing the border in the others favour, or even acknowledging the region’s disputed. So Google creates three different maps… This is what two thirds of the world will see on Google Maps – the dotted line indicates disputed territory. But if you view the area from a Chinese domain it shows it belonging to China, and part of India from an Indian domain. No map maker previously had the ability to do this. Historically you had to pick sides. The average Chinese or Indian citizen would be unaware of any dispute. Or at least they would have been until Google accidentally switched the borders in 2007. This caused outrage in both countries. Many in China were unaware that most of the world didn’t recognize China’s legitimacy over the region. And members of the Indian Parliament accused Google of purposefully derailing an upcoming summit between the two nations. There are similar disputes all along the India-China border. All are heavily militarised, with regular standoffs, backed by two of the largest armies in the world, both with nuclear weapons. So just in case nobody noticed the first time round, Google managed to make the same mistake again in 2009. But the advantage of online maps is the speed they can be changed. A mistake of that magnitude 20 years ago would have taken years to correct instead of hours. Google can react to geo-political events quicker than any other map maker. When Russian troops arrived in Crimea in February 2014, it was less than a month till Google showed the territory as disputed. This was despite the United Nations asking nobody…. Google Maps in Russia shows Crimea as Russian territory, and Ukrainian when viewed from Ukraine. The fact that Google are willing to ignore UN resolutions is a big deal. Countries do all the time, they protect their own interests and alliances above other nations. But Google is a company who now has the power and influence of a state. They’re big enough to survive any confrontation with the UN and probably see Russia as the worse enemy to make. The UN moves slowly. The United Nations Regional Cartographic Conference, only meets every three or four years. Google have to make border and naming decisions daily. Those decisions may not have any legal weight, but everyone uses Google Maps so in reality they’re the most important. When South Sudan became a country in 2011, the vote didn’t specify the exact placement of the border. Leaving some towns and villages unsure whether they would be in Sudan or South Sudan. Each country naturally claimed ownership, but no official map would be made for a while. It was left to Google to organize South Sudan community mapping events. They encouraged local people to create detailed maps of an area that was lacking any accurate data. And through a semi-democratic process, an almost-precise border was decided. There are still contested areas today, and not without their bloodshed. But Google did more to help local territorial disputes than the UN or any state. This isn’t the only example of Google using local input as the basis for their maps. They publish a program called Google Map Maker, this allows anyone to make changes in suggestions. This is useful for new roads and public footpaths, but also helps Google decide what to call things. It’s strictly moderated and Google have final say over the public version, but like Wikipedia things inevitably slip through the cracks… For obvious reasons you can’t edit the border of a country. There are hundreds of disputes in the world – imagine the chaos. So Google don’t get involved with most of them. But here and there throughout the world map, it does change slightly based on where you’re stood. This may not necessarily be a bad thing. Historically the larger power would just stamp out the smaller one. But with Google Maps as the unofficial-official adjudicator, borders could remain disputed forever. Both sides constantly pointing guns at the other but rarely firing. Is a long cold war better than a short hot one? That’s a philosophical question best left for the comments. But for better or worse Google are making editorial decisions on something most people view as an objective truth. No political map can ever be a hundred percent accurate in the scientific sense of the word. At best they can be a diplomatic compromise, and at worse they can be a propaganda tool. Maps (and especially Google Maps) are amazing, but they should be treated it like any other media. They are subject to the motives and influences of the humans that made them. If you enjoyed this video, please consider supporting the channel by checking out the Patreon link in the description. Thank you for subscribing.

100 comments on “Google Maps is Different in Other Countries

  1. A lot of the disputed borders in the world are islands that multiple nations claim ownership of. The problem is there’s no differences on Google Maps as the borders are visually the same. 

    For the purposes of this video I have assumed that Google is politically neutral. There are a lot of good arguments against that assumption, but that’s a video for another day.

    If you want to try this yourself, click on the name of your country in the bottom right when on Google Maps – this’ll let you change your region in settings. Google is blocked throughout most of China and isn’t on the list, however changing the top-level-domain to .cn can sometimes work. Even though Google is blocked in China already, many citizens find a way around it. Google are trying become reinstated, this means they still have to keep China's government onside.

    Google Map Maker was discontinued in 2017, but a lot the features have been merged into main Google Maps site.

  2. I though china doesnt allow google. We might also want to draw a dotted line around tibbet.

    I also wonder what google does with Taiwan from inside china.

  3. Love from Poland (Szczecin)! 😀
    I'm 19 years old 😀

    Yesterday (1st of August 2019 year) we (Polish people) celebrated the 75th anniversary of the beginning of the Warsaw Uprising! 😀

    AtFrst,AtTheStrt/BegnngI'dLikeUToScfceAWhle/CpleOfMinsOfYrHgh-PrceTmeAndRdWhleMyCmmnt:DDoNtBeScrdOfTheLngnssOfIt:DIWrteEvryLttrOfThisCmmntFrmMyHrt – PLPtrit'sHrt :DThsCmmntWllGveYuVryMch(NtOnlyTheKnwldge)!:DISwrIt! 😀

    (ThsPrtUpprDd'tFtTheMxBgnssOfTheCmmt,SoIEedydItByDltngSpacesAndLtrsA,E,IEtc.)

    Punctually at 2:00 pm o'clock (the hour/moment of the start/beginning of the Warsaw Uprising in Warsaw) people stopped for a minute of silence, wherever they were. Also the traffic in Warsaw stopped for a minute. In every town and city sirens showed their loud sound for 63 seconds (the amount of days Warsaw Rising lasted).
    In Warsaw there were over 10 places, where people gave the glory to these people who fought for the freedom of Poland and Warsaw in the Warsaw Uprising (and not only) 😀

    It was, as yearly, absolutely awesome event! 😀

    This day is one of the national holidays in Poland, but it is not free-of-work-day 😀

    Short history of the Warsaw Uprising 01.08.1944 – 03.10.1944 (facts that I know about it in chronological order XD):
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    On the 1st of August 1944 the underground Polish army, called Armia Krajowa (AK, Coutry/State Army) came up from the underground in the capital of (former) Poland to fight against Germans (yes, they were Germans, Nazis were only the officers, the normal German soldires were carrying out the orders (and I remind you that Adolf Hitler was Austrian), the occupannts of Poland and the biggest murderers of the Polish nation in the whole history (the concentration camps, death camps and work camps were all GERMAN (and Soviet (Russian) in the Soviet (Russian) occupation zone before 1941 in the east of former Poland, of course)) in the great uprasing in Warsaw.
    The start of the Warsaw Uprasing was planned by the AK command to the 1st of August 1944, on the hour 17:00 (2:00 pm in English-speaking countries).
    The uprasing was planned and expected to last only a few days (maximum 2 weeks), but it lasted for exactly 63 days (the uprisers capitulated on the 3rd of October)!
    Most of the Polish uprising soldiers were very young!
    Most of them were in the age between 17 and 22 years old.
    But there were many fighting children!
    I know that even 11 years old kids were fighting and dieing in the Warsaw Uprising, and maybe there were some even younger than 11 years old!
    From the first day, uprisers were intercepting from Germans big terrains, mainly on the left bank of the Vistula river, where the Downtown/Center, Old Town an New Town districts are located.
    After first few days it appeared that the uprising may end with a success!
    The uprisers occupied huge areas in the districts:
    Downtown ( in the south-centre area of the city of Warsaw), Old Town (centre-centre), New Town (north-centre), Powiśle (south-centre), Mokotów (south), Ochota (south-west), Wola (west), Bemowo (north-west), Powązki (north-west), Marymont (north) and Żoliborz (north)
    on the left bank of Vistula and:
    Praga Północ (centre-north), Praga Południe (centre) and Saska Kępa (centre-south)
    on the right bank of Vistula.
    But later, Germans started to fast regain the terrains.
    They commited then very many crmes, of which the biggest was the humanity-crime-murder (in Polish: ludobójstwo) in the district Wola, called in Polish: rzeź Woli (the butcherity of Wola), when German soldiers murdered over 50 000 inhabitants of that district (normal citizens (civilians)).
    The territory of the uprisers was lessing very fast.
    When the Aliants got to know about what is happening in Warsaw, they this time decided to help the uprisers and normal Warsaw people.
    They started to throw out weapons, medicine, food and drinks to the districts that were occupied by Poles from airplanes that were flying from Englnd and France (regained after the D-Day (the landing in Normandy) in June 1944).
    It was very helpful because of the fact that only 1 on 10 uprisers had any weapon on the 1st of August.
    The uprisers were going from one Polish-occupied area to another through te canals of the city canalization system (they were used also in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising a year before (16 or 19 March – 16 or 19 May of 1943 (I don't know, but I know these dates))).
    That walks were extremely risky escapades, but they were a must if the uprisers wanted to survive and to pass on the messages between occupied districts and from and to the general commanders of the uprising.
    When the uprising began, the Soviet army was already in the former Polish territory.
    The official Polish Army (in Polish: Wojsko Polskie) was fighting with them.
    But when the Soviet and Polish army raeched Warsaw, they stopped near the right bank of the Vistula river.
    Joseph Stalin didn't want to help people who were against communism, even despite the pleasing of the Polish Army officers.
    During the uprising, yet in September, Hitler revealed an order to ruin all the Warsaw and make it equal with the ground (here in Poland we have a phrase like this, translated to Polish: "zrównać Warszawę z ziemią" (zrównać-to make sth equal, Warszawa-Warsaw, z-with, ziemia-ground (and Ziemia, with big "Z" letter is the Earth btw))).
    The action of ruining Warsaw by Germans was started even while the Warsaw Uprising did't come to the end yet, in September.
    On the 3rd of October 1944, the command of the Warsaw Uprising, together with Polish uprising soldiers, who were too little to continue the fight, made the capitulation act to the Germans.
    There were around 10 000 – 20 000 uprising soldiers at the beginning of the uprising and on the day of capitulation there was around 7000 – 2000 of them.
    They all died or were taken as the war prisoners.
    Also very many Germans died in the Warsaw Uprising.
    The historicians say that probably there were around 15 000 – 20 000 German soldiers dead.
    The next reason of the capitulation was of course lack of the occupated area.

    Warszawa pamięta (PL)
    (In English: Warsaw remember(s)) (I don't know wheather it's gramatically correct to add "s" or not in cases like this (cities, towns, villages))

    Polska pamięta (PL)
    (In English: Poland remember)

    Cześć i Chwała Bohaterom!
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    (Honour/Reverence and Glory to the Heroes!)
    It is a phrase that is always used in Poland to honour the heroes who fought for Poland 😀

    Yes, I have written this comment for over 2 hours and copy it to the every non-Polish video I saw on YouTube today and tomorrow (1st and 2nd August 2019) 😀

    Why?

    You have an answer upper
    and in your hearts 😀

    Love from Poland, from the city of Szczecin, upon the Oder river, by the border with Germany (around 5-10 kilometers from it), and around 550 kilometers from Warsaw, the city that have a honour today (and of course the capital of Poland)! 😀

    Love from Poland (Szczecin)! 😀

    Pozdro ze Szczecina! 😀
    (The upper phrase in Polish it is :D)

    TO EVERY USER:
    Please, on this day/today search some about the Warsaw Uprising on the Internet and on YouTube to view the events that happen in Warsaw on this day.

    Also, search on the YouTube this phrase:
    City of Ruins
    (in Polish: Misto Ruin)
    It is a fim, produced I think in 2011 year by some cool Polish guy.
    It's short, it has for sure less than 7 minutes.
    It is an animation that shows how loooked Warsaw, how it was ruined after the Warsaw Uprising, exactly in January of 1945, when the Soviet army conquered it in that month.
    You will be shocked!
    I swear it.

    EDIT:
    This film isn't avaliable on YouTube in original vrsion, which is absolutely amazing-graphics-made, but some time ago it was and I watched it many times before the year 2018.
    But there are videos with screenshots of that film on YouTube avaliable when you search that phrase upper 😀

    The original "City of Ruins" film is only avaliable in the Warsaw Uprising Museum in Warsaw, about which I write below 😀

    Also, you will be amazed of the people in Poland who celebrate the events!

    And, if you are in Poland right now, you must go to Warsaw and visit there the Museum of Warsaw Uprising (in Polish: Muzeum Powstania Warszawskiego).
    It is near the large Grzybowska street, in the west part of downtown/centre.
    It was founded in 2008.

    It is amazing! 😀
    You will be amazed by visiting it! 😀
    I swear it! 😀

    I personally visited it in July 2015 year 😀

    TO ALL USERS:
    And I would be vary happy if you check the speech of Donald Trump, the president of the USA, on the Krasińscy Place in Warsaw, which was speaked on the 6th of July 2017 year, while the first Donald Trump's visit in Poland.
    Poland was the first country that Trump visited on his first travel to Europe as a president.

    In that speech, Trump sacrificed a huge part of it to remind the Polish history, especially the Warsaw Uprising! 😀
    That was amazing for all Polish people! 😀
    The fact that he learned so much of the history of Poland is so respectful yet in itself! 😀
    And the way Trump was speaking about it was very moving for all Polish people! 😀
    After that speech, we were extremely proud of our nation, Poland and the president Donald Trump! 😀

    So, definitely, watch that speech! 😀
    Please, watch it! 😀
    It is about 45 minutes long 😀

    I personally watched it live on TV with my all family! 😀
    It was on the 6th of July 2017 year, the beginning of Trump's speech was about 1:00 pm, if I remember well 😀

    It is my biggest please of this comment, you to watch that speech… 😀

    It is truly awesome! 😀
    You will be amazed! 😀
    I swear it! 😀

    And let me know in the replies below, how you feel about this speech and about your feelings about all I am interested in here! 😀

    Ok,
    So,

    This is the end of this my comment 😀
    The most honour comment that I sacrificed myself and my time and wrote in my life! 😀

    XD

    Love from Poland (Szczecin)! 😀

    Pozdro ze Szczecina! 😀

  4. 拉倒吧 中国在领土问题上 吃大亏了 几乎跟每个国家划分领土都吃亏 就连朝鲜 都站着靠近我们这边的几个岛 最近中国强大了 在南海上面 强势一点 就被炒作霸权主义 领土扩张的野心 真是舆论带动智障

  5. I got the App Extension for Google Maps that blocks every other country except the United States. Because that's the only borders I see.

  6. there are international disputes in my minecraft world, my friend keeps saying my house is his. Which is why maps in my world is inaccurate

  7. I disagree with you claiming colonization was genocide. You can't use that word so flippantly. All countries were formed by conquest.

  8. Canada and Denmark: No this tiny island is mine! My flag and whiskey are there!
    China and India: Listen motherfucker, I have multiple nukes to blow your puny ass up!
    The differences in the world are strange aren't they?

  9. This is pathetic. Let's just ask the people who live in that territory what they feel and where they want to belong to. End of the story.

  10. this can explain the Chinese and indian border claim both of them have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRnW1Xs7asM

  11. TIL even the rich won't accept the reality of not being able to play both sides of a coin. Damn, it really is the 1920's again.

  12. What's happening with Crimea reminds me of Poland. I mean, countries problems require divided-in-two- countries solutions,
    If you know what I mean

    P.S. jk I don't hope for that😂

  13. I watched one video and I noticed you said "i have been recently demonized" I though 'why this video wasn't that bad what else did you do?' Granted I have watched others but I instantly clicked on this video after that thought… this sir… this is why you have been demonized… poking the Google bear

  14. Same with Western Sahara. I’m actually in Morocco and I see Sahara as Moroccan. When I’m in France (the rest of the time) it’s disputed.

  15. If you are in an gulf Arabian country, like Saudi Arabia, UAE or Bahrain, google will call the gulf "the Arabian Gulf" but if you are in Iran its "the Persian Gulf"

  16. It's nor Pakistan or nor India
    It's Nepalese land and the treaty is already over so we can get our land anytime!

  17. I live in Israel, the Golan Heights and Judea and Samaria are all shown as disputed in Google maps. It's kind of annoying, the USA recognised the Golan as a part of Israel, why doesn't Google?

  18. did you know that 90% of all border disputes are from colonial empires? the other ten is from the south china sea

  19. "boarders are a uniquely human concept" Really ? Do you know nothing of the natural world ? Something that is shared with just about every type of life form there is.

  20. Google, Facebook, YouTube and other American social media are Banned in China, So if YOU hate America you just need to delete the YouTube, Because there is a lot of countries that Hate America

  21. Once you accept that Google supports the Chicom and every other Socialist/communist government. You will understand. In America they are supporting the Democratic Socialist party and antifa. They censor anyone who supports the constitution.

  22. Oh, so that's why in India, I can see Gilgit Baltistan and PoK as if it is Indian territory. I guess in Pakistan, it might be shown as Pakistani territory.

  23. Borders are uniquely human?
    Tigers, dogs, wolves and many more mark their territories, same as borders for them

  24. Look…this is how wars should be fought:
    knock on the door
    Soldiers: Hi, we're just going door to door in your area to let you know we've taken over and made this area part of our country.
    Me: Oh ok…so what changes for me?
    Soldiers: Well if you look on this map, see this line? Well we've moved it on the map from here…to here.
    Me: Oh…I see. Anything else I need to know?
    Soldiers: Well not really. The people you pay tax to will change, but other than that, pretty much just carry on.
    Me: Ok. Great. Thanks for letting me know.
    Soldiers: No problem at all. Have a nice day.

  25. Si bien muchas personas utilizan la plataforma de Google para crear sus espacios y montar información importante y útil, creo que la propia plataforma de Google no es tampoco una plataforma oficial universal que está en la obligación de mostrar datos ultra precisos como las fronteras u otra información en otras áreas, aunque no dudo que el esfuerzo se hace y poco a poco la información debe irse actualizando conforme a la realidad se vaya haciendo inamovible.
    Siempre debemos complementar y afinar nuestras investigaciones a la vieja usanza, en la biblioteca y otras fuentes especializadas. Google puede ser nada más un punto de partida que nos brinde una directriz para nuestras investigaciones.

  26. Someting that I realised in the border between Portugal and Spain is hat there is a non-marked zone, like there was no border at al. Now I see it's a global thing.
    And now that I went go google maps tocheck it out, I realised there is a border now. Weird. XD

    EDIT: For some reason it is counting Olivença as a spain territory. :S

  27. It's simple man… Let the poeple from these terrirotires decide who they want to be with… Just like Crimea… They were all Russian speaking people, they wanted to be part of Russia. Hell… They are the ones who live there. Let them fucking decide.

  28. China is like give me Bhutan give me India give me Tiwan give me Hong Kong give me Tibbet. How can anyone get so greedy and blind.

  29. It is an important point of some of the big companies working in their interests, to please the interest of countries with nuclear power, over their maps borders, like google maps.
    Thank you for sharing. 👍

  30. One example is in the UK where Yorkshire County and Lancashire County hated each other via war of the roses so that was a tough period for cartographers. Later Manchester broke away from Lancashire County and other bordering town formed Greater Manchester.

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